View Poll Results: Which cameras color do you prefer form the Full Frame Cinema Shootout 2020

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    54 73.97%
  • 2

    2 2.74%
  • 3

    9 12.33%
  • 4

    2 2.74%
  • 5

    0 0%
  • 6

    1 1.37%
  • 7

    3 4.11%
  • 8

    1 1.37%
  • 9

    1 1.37%

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  1. #1 Full Frame Cinema Shootout 2020... 
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    Here it is friends, the Full Frame Cine Shootout 2020.



    Here’s a podcast with filmmaker Noam Kroll discussing the test...

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000467601482

    This is the blind video comparison, the video with the cameras listed will be coming Thurs. the 6th.
    This comparison is between the following cameras (not in this order)...

    1. Arri Alexa Mini LF
    2. Canon Eos C500mII
    3. Red Monstro
    4. Sigma FP
    5. Sony FX9 (S-Cinetone)
    6. Sony FX9 (S-Log3)
    7. Sony Venice
    8. Red Gemini
    9. Red Helium

    *Gemini used for studio and low light test only
    **Helium used for studio only

    All cameras were shot in their RAW codecs except the FX9 which was shot in XAVC-I 10bit. All cameras were lightly corrected using RAW controls in Resolve on a single timeline and split screened on a common calibrated Rec709 monitor for a neutral rendering. The AF capable cameras were shot with AF set to facial tracking.

    The whole test was shot on Sigma 50mm T1.5 cine and 50mm 1.4 ART AF lenses except for the Canon C500mII which was shot with a 50mm 1.2 EF since there was no PL mount or EF Sigma available at the time of shooting.

    Internal ND's or Firecrest NDs were used for exposure control. All exposures were set using a common waveform and native low/hi ISOs.

    We intend this test to explore the subtle tonal and color differences between these cameras. Please watch and vote on your favorite in the poll, in a few days we'll reveal the actual cameras and see if your preferences line up with our expectations.

    Here is a 4K 10bit Prores file to download from this Vimeo link, download Original...
    (https://vimeo.com/388805758)
    Last edited by Evin Grant; 03-07-2020 at 10:04 AM.
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    Helps that we know 1, 8, and 9 for sure... :)

    That Alexa mini LF is no joke. Absolutely amazing, though hard not to wonder if it's overkill given how great all these cameras look (except the FP and s-cinetone, but I feel like we knew that)
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    All I know is, 1 and 7 are my favorites.
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    Well #1 had no clipping at all in the overexposure push... wonder which one that is... haha

    Very cool Evan, thanks for doing this!

    #1, 2, and 9 look great color wise to me. Would be great to have a side by side at some point in the video.
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    #4 for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Šabović Adis View Post
    #4 for me.
    I like your sense of humor :)

    Would've been interesting to throw in some HDRx for fun, otherwise it may be too easy to spot the Alexa. Maybe change up the order a little too. Is there any chance anyone doesn't choose #1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Yuan-Vogel View Post
    I like your sense of humor :)

    Would've been interesting to throw in some HDRx for fun, otherwise it may be too easy to spot the Alexa. Maybe change up the order a little too. Is there any chance anyone doesn't choose #1?
    Well I was hoping people would look at the color rendering and not just clipping point, after all that's not actually a measure of usable DR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evin Grant View Post
    Well I was hoping people would look at the color rendering and not just clipping point, after all that's not actually a measure of usable DR.
    Ah yes, but can't they all be graded or even just LUTted for nearly any color rendering you want? The over under definitely gives away a lot since each camera has a known highlight range at "native ISO" that is arbitrarily set by the manufacturer. Camera tests are always so interesting since there are many different approaches. Thanks for all the work and for sharing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Yuan-Vogel View Post
    I like your sense of humor :)

    Would've been interesting to throw in some HDRx for fun, otherwise it may be too easy to spot the Alexa. Maybe change up the order a little too. Is there any chance anyone doesn't choose #1?
    Wasn't joking.

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    Well I was hoping people would look at the color rendering and not just clipping point, after all that's not actually a measure of usable DR.
    Exactly!
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    So do we know what's up with the FPs black level flickering? Maybe an artifact of insufficient cooling and black balancing and recording it to a cDNG stack?
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