Thread: Monstro vs komodo whats your thoughts?

Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 25
  1. #11  
    Senior Member Russ Fill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    World wide working
    Posts
    1,658
    Hmmm
    Volks Wagen GTI or a Bugatti.
    Epic Forged Monstro (Camera 101)
    Epic X (Tribal)
    mindsetmedia@mac.com
    https://vimeo.com/user4448312
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/russfill/
    Reply With Quote  
     

  2. #12  
    From what I seen so far komodo looks alot like monstro in terms of highlights and lut of gamut colors. More so than helium. But yes, have not done any testing of my own so can not say for sure.

    Monstro is so good I still get fascinated by the picrlture quality everytime I look at its images. if komodo is even somewhat close to 6k monstro and got the small size, global shutter and prize... I think for a lot of people komodo is a really good option, especially for owner/users. You can always rent the bigger cameras if you need them, workflow etc will be the same.
    Björn Benckert
    Creative Lead & Founder Syndicate Entertainment AB
    +46855524900 www.syndicate.se/axis
    VFX / Flame / Motion capture / Monstro
    Reply With Quote  
     

  3. #13  
    Senior Member Tom Gleeson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    1,364
    George,

    Monstro vs Komodo is a question more for your clients. Your personal situation should dictate this choice. If you are shooting medium to big budgets for well paying clients then Monstro makes sense. If your clients are corporate and lower budget then a Komodo becomes a more logical choice. If you are starting out in the business then an investment in a Monstro would likely never see a return on that investment. Do not forget that technology moves very quickly and this years shiny toy will be replaced by a newer shinier toy very quickly. Your camera needs to working and making you money right away not some time in the future. While Monstro is a "better" camera when pushed to the limits you will undoubtably be able to create wonderful images with a Komodo.

    So in summary to answer this question requires a helluva alot more information.

    PS What Björn said
    Tom Gleeson
    Reply With Quote  
     

  4. #14  
    Moderator Phil Holland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    11,840
    I mean, I'm here for the answer you are all really looking for.

    On a purely physics basis if I throw DSMC2 Monstro and Komodo at each other I do think Komodo would budge when it comes to mass and momentum.

    However, it's hard to tell which camera body would sustain more damage.

    As a Monstro owner, I can get Komodo footage to play well with it. It is REDCODE RAW after all and the post workflow is very much "the same", a smidge of a tweak here and there they match closely.

    This is a little talked about thing a lot of productions have been after btw. It's happened in the RED world as well as the Arri world and is truly the reason why both expanded product lines exist on professional productions. While ACES and those of us who profile cameras uniquely to match solves the major headaches of getting footage from multiple cameras to work well together, on bigger productions there's been a a bigger desire to keep to one ecosystem to minimize workflow and pipeline issues related to the footage itself. How that's been going down from what I know mainly on films and streaming productions is mixing and matching smaller POV cameras often using a pretty gnarly blocky and low bit depth codec, but really what they are after is some sort of codec synergy both in terms of just practical workflow as well as general image quality.

    Komodo is going to be used in a variety of ways by a variety of filmmakers on all sorts of producitons, but squarely positioned here where this has been a large chatting point on higher end shows and films, this is one production workflow rift RED is solving with this camera. When Jarred stated early on it wasn't exactly designed for A-Cam or whatever, this is pretty much what he was referring to. Komodo is however designed to play with A-Cam nicely while solving some rigging and shot related conundrums. That's sort of the whole point.

    The general market and camera comparisons these days, things like people comparing Alexas to iPhones are "fun" and likely good for views, but truthfully we look to cameras that inspire creativity and confidence in image quality and durability with a worry free post workflow. On larger productions where the cost of what camera is chosen isn't exactly a major factor, from there you are mainly looking to button up workflow related stuff and likely figuring out what tools you want to use to film a scene, sometimes on a shot by shot basis even. In those situations its nice to have everything playing nice.

    That in effect was why I moved up to multiple RED bodies some time ago. You can certainly use other cameras for B-cam or whatever, but having a few Monstros all singing in harmony is smooth world. Then from there probably expanding it to other RED bodies, then from there going rogue into the chaotic discussion of wait, can I actually match Monstro to iPhone footage?! At that point however, you've likely been fired anyways for not being prepared with another camera when one was called for :)

    I posted equivalent FOVs in my little Komodo thread if you are really trying to do a 1:1 format side by side. Critical for me is just getting Komodo to the accurate height when working with DSMC2 brains as well, that's already been done though.
    Phil Holland - Cinematographer - Los Angeles
    ________________________________
    phfx.com IMDB
    PHFX | tools

    2X RED Monstro 8K VV Bodies, 1X RED Komodo, and a lot of things to use with them.

    Data Sheets and Notes:
    Red Weapon/DSMC2
    Red Dragon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  5. #15  
    For VFX / CG / matchmoving stuff komodo with its global shutter will be prefered over monstro by many. For chroma key work Monstro will still be king with is clean image.
    Björn Benckert
    Creative Lead & Founder Syndicate Entertainment AB
    +46855524900 www.syndicate.se/axis
    VFX / Flame / Motion capture / Monstro
    Reply With Quote  
     

  6. #16  
    Senior Member Jacek Zakowicz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    3,392
    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Fill View Post
    Hmmm
    Volks Wagen GTI or a Bugatti.
    I think Type R golf would easily outperform a 1937 Bugatti ;-)
    Jacek Zakowicz, Optitek-dot-org, jacek2@optitek.org
    Professional Broadcast and Digital Cinema Equipment
    Reply With Quote  
     

  7. #17  
    Senior Member Russ Fill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    World wide working
    Posts
    1,658
    Ok that made me smile. I wonder what would turn more heads.. A florescent Komodo or a Forged Monstro?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacek Zakowicz View Post
    I think Type R golf would easily outperform a 1937 Bugatti ;-)
    Epic Forged Monstro (Camera 101)
    Epic X (Tribal)
    mindsetmedia@mac.com
    https://vimeo.com/user4448312
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/russfill/
    Reply With Quote  
     

  8. #18  
    Moderator Phil Holland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    11,840
    Quote Originally Posted by Jens Jakob Thorsen View Post
    Not many...And PLEASE stop calling it an ecosystem, to make it and you sound more important. It's nauseating to read all this selfimportant plabbering...Year in and year out...Its just a fucking camerasystem. And it's a good system. Go shoot something worthwhile FFS.
    Guess that's aimed at me.

    if ($descriptor eq "ecosytem) {
    $descriptor = "camerasystem";
    }
    exit;

    Check. Have a good day.
    Phil Holland - Cinematographer - Los Angeles
    ________________________________
    phfx.com IMDB
    PHFX | tools

    2X RED Monstro 8K VV Bodies, 1X RED Komodo, and a lot of things to use with them.

    Data Sheets and Notes:
    Red Weapon/DSMC2
    Red Dragon
    Reply With Quote  
     

  9. #19  
    Senior Member Tom Gleeson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    1,364
    Originally Posted by Jens Jakob Thorsen
    Not many...And PLEASE stop calling it an ecosystem, to make it and you sound more important. It's nauseating to read all this selfimportant plabbering...Year in and year out...Its just a fucking camerasystem. And it's a good system. Go shoot something worthwhile FFS.
    Jens,

    Maybe you are the one who should get off Reduser and go shoot something worthwhile FFS
    Tom Gleeson
    Reply With Quote  
     

  10. #20  
    Senior Member Christoffer Glans's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Posts
    4,370
    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeAgazarian View Post
    Monstro vs komodo whats your thoughts?
    As much as I love full-frame and would take that any day over s35 in order to get those wide-angle short DOF shots that looks like 65mm shots, Komodo is much more indie-friendly and easier to actually work with physically. I don't like heavy cameras, I don't like carrying around case after case just to get simple shots. Whatever people say about them preferring heavier systems for stability and whatnot, you are always more creative with a smaller system because you have a much greater pool of choices when working with it. Heavy systems may be good for doing traditional camera work, the usual, establishing shot, full shot, medium, closeup standard of filmmaking, but a small and light camera body makes you free to explore the visual language far more than you can do with heavier stuff. It's also easier to just bring the system to places where it would be unpractical with other cameras.

    So, a Full Frame sensor in a Komodo body would have been the perfect system, but if you can cheaply solve the wide-angle part with a lens that gives you the same aesthetics as a fast wide-angle on full-frame, then Komodo is much better in my opinion and for indie feature stuff.
    "Using any digital cinema camera today is like sending your 35mm rolls to a standard lab. -Using a Red is like owning a dark room."
    Red Weapon 6K #00600
    Reply With Quote  
     

Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts