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    Apple Announces Major Move to Custom ARM Processors in New Macs


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    It will be interesting to see how long it is before we see Apple chips in a Macbook Pro or an iMac. I suspect they will have specialized chips specifically for Macs much like they have iPad pro chips. They also spoke about Intel products in the pipeline which means they probably won't have any major Mac announcements for Apple Silicon this year. Was pretty cool to see that Final Cut is already up and running, I remember when they switched to Intel I think it was 2007 maybe late 2006 before they had Final Cut ported to intel.
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    Craig,


    I remember years back when Apple were using I believe Motorola chips before they eventually went to using Intel ones. My 17 inch Macbook Pro 2006 model finally died about 4 years ago, I've been on a PC ever since. I wonder if the "bootcamp" app, that I used to have one partition for mac and another for windows, will be significantly affected by the new Apple chip. Since I'm guessing that Windows probably won't run smoothly or at all with the Apple chip, what will become of it. Also how will this affect "Hackintosh" builds.
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    Craig,


    I remember years back when Apple were using I believe Motorola chips before they eventually went to using Intel ones. My 17 inch Macbook Pro 2006 model finally died about 4 years ago, I've been on a PC ever since. I wonder if the "bootcamp" app, that I used to have one partition for mac and another for windows, will be significantly affected by the new Apple chip. Since I'm guessing that Windows probably won't run smoothly or at all with the Apple chip, what will become of it. Also how will this affect "Hackintosh" builds.
    Motorolla along with IBM, I think the G4 and G3 chips were from Motorolla and the G5 was from IBM. I think I got my first Powerbook G4 in early 2005 and that lasted me up until I think 2009 when I got the 17inch Macbook Pro. I remember being skeptical about the Intel transition but It didn't turn out so bad in the end though I suspect this transition to Apple Silicon will go much smoother. Can't go back to PC myself, The feel of it all is too weird for me now and the last time I really used it was when I boot camped Windows 7 onto the 17inch MacBook Pro for a while to play games on steam.

    I don't know what will happen to Hackintosh builds but I suspect they will die out along with Intel support when the time comes. Who knows what will happen to Windows on the Mac, maybe Windows ARM will get better and that will run and maybe you'll just have to run in emulation the way you would have to in the PowerPC days.
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    When Apple moved to Intel, I thought it was surreal, because Intel chips at that time were running awfully hot. But I was not to know that the M processors were on their way.

    This move is not surprising. Apple refuses to hold onto things for longer than they need to. This is why I'm predicting a brand new OS that will be announced next year, 20 years after OS X debuted in 2001. It will possibly be Haiku based.

    ARM is the basis of the world's fastest supercomputer:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...ul/ar-BB15PODI
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    Apple transitions to ARM for Mac

    Excerpt from WWDC 2020 Special Event Keynote



    for more on the new Custom silicon from Apple, go to the 1:26:05 mark to about the 1:33:05 mark of the WWDC 2020 Special Event Keynote

    http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...note-%97-Apple
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    With macOS’ ever increasing leverage of GPU, it is going to be very interesting to see if Apple’s Graphics team finally great a change to spread their wings and create a desktop GPU.
    8 ‘big’ Apple ARM cores tightly integrated with a (speculative) wide Apple GPU could make for a very capable laptop.

    Programs that use ‘hacked’ code kernel extensions to sort out the rough edges (to extend the os) may have access issues in Big Sur (ie wont run).
    Properly written kernel extensions (that Apple laid the groundwork for over the last two years) should be more amenable to Rosetta2.

    For Apple to ‘win’ people over (and no need for Hakintoshes) - they will ultimately need more performant hardware or at least hardware that has not apparent ‘Apple Tax’.

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    I just donít want to see Apple pull an Intel and eek out performance of their silicon little by little. If theyíve got the goods to deliver their own CPU and GPU performance over Intel or AMD then bust it out and crush the competition like AMD is doing with its multiple core strategy over Intel right now. They need to truly make the distinction between buying a Windows PC versus buying an Apple Mac and establish dominance while they can. There is no upper line to preserve or server space to aim for, they can just make the fastest machine with the most cores and clock speed they can and they donít need to worry about optimization as itís for their own software. If they fail at this and it becomes another G5 situation where they will need to crawl back to Intel or AMD then it will probably be the end of the Macintosh system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack Birlew View Post
    If they fail at this
    They won't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karim D. Ghantous View Post
    They won't.
    Define fail?

    Anyone needing top end performance has already left the platform. They really don’t have much to lose by trying.
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