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    Not sure if anyone caught wind of this:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/02...apple-silicon/


    I have a decent 2019 set-up at work and would love an affordable one for home.
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    It's an intriguing development. There is likely still a market for a smaller tower provided it still has a decent amount of PCIe slots.
    I think Apple Silicon and what they actually deliver is a big issue regarding the future Mac models.

    We'll see the beginnings of this on 11/10.

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    Hope it's also half the price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Tresch View Post
    Hope it's also half the price.
    Haha yea I know I do :)

    If its a starter system to get you into Apple Silicon, Im game.

    I was there from Motorola, PowerPC to Intel so bring it on ;)
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    It will be fascinating to see if Apple ‘allows’ an Infinity fabric to continue into is AppleSilicon Mac Pro’s - or replaces it with alternative (open or closed) standard.

    With Nvidia promising to play by a different set of values in order to procure ARM / and Apple one of the companies publicly against the takeover - I also wonder if a deal will be struck to mend previous bad blood, and for both companies to work together to strengthen the ARM ecosystem (and respective tools) - and NV GPUs finally ‘allowed’ back into the Apple fruity empire.

    With their chance to grow their PC penetration above 10% - their value proposition and, in the case of their Mac Pro - their size, will no doubt need to be more enticing.
    Apple are already living on the leading edge of TSMCs fabs, and own the bible on miniaturisation.
    I hope they reduce the XY Mac Pro size by 40% - and still allow enough 3rd party internal expansions to keep the high end happy.

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    Personally, the small computer form factor is nowhere near the top of my list. Actually, if recent history is any indication, GPUs are only getting bigger, 3090 comes to mind.
    As far as I know, Apple isn't able to rewrite laws of physics, therefore more computing power means bigger power supplies, bigger cooling fans, bigger enclosures etc. I do not want proprietary enclosures, that although may be smaller and more elegant, cost twice or three times of standard solutions, like it is done in a present Mac Pro.
    Also, while Apple pushing T2 "security" means, that commodity hardware will not be welcomed on Apple hardware. Example new "non repairable" iPhone 12 by anyone, but Apple, even if parts are genuine Apple parts and repairs are done by a knowledgeable personnel.
    Apple makes no secret for their desire to control the whole enchilada- software and hardware and in addition to CPUs they are planning to introduce their own GPUs, so not only you need to say goodby to nVidia, but also get used to the idea of missing AMD GPUs as well.
    So based on that, it is pretty clear, that Apple silicon will be cheaper in the long run both for Apple and the end consumer and it will be great for low powered iPad, iPhones and MacBooks, but it may take a few years before Apple silicon will start showing up in Mac Pro's.
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    Yay, I can talk now that the announcement has happened. I’ve got a new 13” MBP here. Apple is kicking ass with this new chip. It’s a HUGE improvement over the 2018 MBP13 I have. Still not as powerful as my 16” MBP, yet it’s a lot snappier overall. And actually to take that back, things that can use the ML cores and are optimized for the M1 chip absolutely scream. I didn’t know what all they were going to announce today, but now we see that the bigger chip(s) for the 16” MBP, iMac and Mac Pro are not here yet. They’re still saying this is about a 2 year transition process. I just wanted to chime in previously about the Apple chips, but couldn’t really say anything on it until now. Apple is now making the most powerful CPUs in terms of power per watt. How that will scale up to their larger systems will be interesting to see. All things considered, I think the new Air, Mini and MBP13 are a great start.


    FWIW, I know Intel is pretty butt-hurt over this. But Apple has been on them hard for a while about getting their process shrink implemented, trimming the bloat and a bunch of other things that Intel just can’t seem to get done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kilgroe View Post
    FWIW, I know Intel is pretty butt-hurt over this. But Apple has been on them hard for a while about getting their process shrink implemented, trimming the bloat and a bunch of other things that Intel just can’t seem to get done.
    Apple hung in there for a long time with Intel.
    Do you think we will still have options for a few more years yet?
    To me, if not all apps are ported over, I cant be too excited.
    I went through this with Motorola and PowerPC :P
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    The way the new Rosetta2 works, it’s a whole lot smoother than PowerPC to Intel. Overall there’s much greater compatibility and developers have minimal work to rebuild a native app compared to the last time around. That said, I’ve encountered a few little gotcha’s in my testing so far. And depending on what you’re coming from, it may or may not be the right time to consider one of these vs. an Intel Mac. Apple will continue to sell Intel Macs until their transition is complete and maybe even a bit beyond. But I wouldn’t expect any real innovation on that side of the product line, just a minor update here and there to accommodate a new CPU or GPU. The 13” Pro is great for working in Xcode and moderate photo work, can edit videos in a pinch. For now, if I know I need more power, I’ll grab my 16”. This is a nice replacement to my 2018 MBP13. But if you have a current 13”, then probably best to wait a year or two. Waiting is probably the best course of action unless you just need a new Air, Mini or MBP13 now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kilgroe View Post
    Waiting is probably the best course of action unless you just need a new Air, Mini or MBP13 now.
    Well, you know most Apple followers tend to buy too early :P
    I for one always wait (if it's my personal budget) till a few revisions.
    On that note, I am looking at a laptop this January so hoping to find a 16" at a decent price then.
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