If you use a DSMC...

[Wayne Morellini]

Isn't that encouraging piracy? Inventing a fancy name for taking a camera to the theater?

Seriously though, it is a worry that someone could sneak such a small camera, like scarlet, with so much resolution into the cinema ...

"Excuse me sir? Is that a Monstro in your pocket?"

:D

Jim

Realistically, in future they will have to resort to scanners to detect equipment and put them in a locker until you reclaim it, and optical/timing tricks to degrade pirated footage. I posted some techniques for this over at dvinfo to talk about it, but as usual that crowd is pretty inept to this level.

I worry more that I might forget I am carrying a pocket camera, and the theatre wants to compensate it. As it is, I forget to turn my mobile off until I am in there, and they watch to see if you are doing something.

[Wayne Morellini]

... does that make you a "cinemaphotographer"?

Jim

(courtesy of Jarred)

Depends on how the DSMC is setup and how you use it. If you use it like a video camera then not really, maybe a videophotographer, but with the lens and controls to home the best out of it, then yes. That level of control makes it like a DLSR flavour. Interchangeable lens increases this, as does frame and attachments.

But ergonomic design of the control mechanism is very important, and tricky. Another area is designing the camera so that less attachments and interfacing is needed. For instance, which filters are not needed for a camera with enough latitude, bit depth and accuracy. I know only one, or maybe two, companies that have announced such sensor technology. I have considered many of these things previously. It looks like the new camera is approaching this, could the scarlets be made a bit more stylish with simpler lines?

Red has the opportunity to change the way filming is done, I don't think SI is considering the depth of these things. It is possible for you to get small cameras that directly competes with a cinema camera.

[Petr Dvorak]

... does that make you a "cinemaphotographer"?

Jim

(courtesy of Jarred)

Who cares? Me not. Good footage makes you a "cinemaphotographer". So let say that other people tells you that you are cinematographer :)
First xs were capable of both taking stills and movin picture too. :)

And some cinematographers used no camera but they only scratched emulsion on every frame to create footage - and it was nice
And now they use computers for creating whole feature.

[Axel Mertes]

Let me re-type that...

Cinemaphotographer® :-)

Jim

Jim,

sure, when you point your photo camera towards a cinema it makes you always a cinemaphotographer, isn't it?

I guess its giving the photographer the chance to shoot their models in action and select the best frame, and not - as usual - the best photo from a 6fps or the like burst shooting.

If that makes them better photographers - I don't think so. Maybe it gets easier to catch the best moment, but - luckily - the knowledge to style the image using lighting, setting, a good hand, keeps the same - and the real challenge.

Axel

[Simon Dunne]

... does that make you a "cinemaphotographer"?

Jim

(courtesy of Jarred)

Short Answer, No.

Long answer, Still No.

You can capture an amazing moment on a cheap camcorder that will last as an iconic video for decades. You can do the same on a R1, Scarlet, Epic or DSMC. The picture quality does not matter, just the quality of the 'moment' captured. If the moon landing had been shot in colour, would the original B&W be any less emotive and iconic?

To capture an amazing moment twice, is luck.

To get it right every time would take a true professional, a cinemaphotographer. Someone who has the knowledge, skill and ability to get their desired shot time after time.

Owning a DSMC does not make you a professional photograper either. Just a lucky bugger with more money than me ;-)

[Mathias Seebacher]

I think will make me a better story teller as I'll be able to tell my stories with a better tool, but will not surely make any one a Cinematographer...unless it is already one!!

ciao

Only a pencil will make you a better storyteller if anything.
Books make you a better storyteller, for sure. Mostly books about dramatic or epical writing.
Only a driving licenses will make you a better driver, not your car will.

[Kyle Mallory]

I think JimmyC had is closest, but not quite... A Cinemaphotographer is that used-car salesman that hangs around outside movie theaters, by the rear entrance with his Nikon camera around his neck, waiting for the door to open so he can catch a quick shot of the inside of the movie theater. Some people snap young girls... other's snap crowded movie theaters... Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I suppose you could also give the on-set photographer the title of "cinemaphotographer", but that's not nearly as entertaining to imagine.

On the other hand, the Photocinematographer, man, whatever happened to those guys. Remember the days of film-strips in church and school. Feed the roll of film into the projector, load the cassette tape into the player, and wait for 'beep' to advance to the next frame... A real, lost art, the Photocinematographer!

Or perhaps the Photocinematographer is the guy shooting the BTS video of the Cinemaphotographer on set. Ironically, the DSMC would be used by both of them.

[KETCH ROSSi]

Only a pencil will make you a better storyteller if anything.
Books make you a better storyteller, for sure. Mostly books about dramatic or epical writing.
Only a driving licenses will make you a better driver, not your car will.

:) :)

A pencil will make you as good as a Storyteller as you already are, you can have as many pencils as you wish, but if you don't have as tory to write and know how to write one, well then the pencil has no much use at all.


Reading is no doubt a good thing, for any!!


There are too many people with driver licenses that definitely fail short from been a good driver, so I guess having a driver license will not make you a better driver either.



For me, a good tool will always help be a better craftsman, no matter the craft!!

For me RED is doing just that, producing better tools for the craft, which in turn in the hands of those that already have a good grip and knowledge of the craft, will be helped by such a tools to make a better product, as we are talking about image quality I think RED has already proven that they can offer that, and as far as been a better tool, they also prove that, in both workflows in production and post production, now as far as what I can do with... well you'll have to just look at what I do and be your own judge of that.


ciao

[Mathias Seebacher]

:) :)

A pencil will make you as good as a Storyteller as you already are, you can have as many pencils as you wish, but if you don't have as tory to write and know how to write one, well then the pencil has no much use at all.


There are too many people with driver licenses that definitely fail short from been a good driver, so I guess having a driver license will not make you a better driver either.

I agree that there are a lot of people not driving good but I think it's better for them having a licence than not having one. That was what I wanted to say.

I think you didn't understand what I wanted to say. A camera is not a tool for storytelling. I agree that it supports you telling a story in a movie-way. But you can also (if you e.g. don't have the financial possibilities) write a book to tell a story.
I don't know wich cinematographer / director / filmmaker invented the term "storytelling" but I know Robert Mckee does use this term. So I assume him beeing the inventor.
Many people in these forums refer to this term as being the only sence of a camera to tell stories.
A camera is a tool to capture a moment visually (and the sound of this moment in some cases). A camera won't tell you: "It would be better If you choose another first plot point" or "Your character does not develop during this film" or "The ending is not clear". A tool that would tell you that (will never exist hopefully , but...) would be some kind of writing-roboter or program.

[Joe G.]

"A camera is not a tool for storytelling."

What?

What is it you do?