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[Jay A. Kelley]

their praises just about more than anyone), I also don't think it's helpful to make excuses on their behalf. Hopefully we'll hear more soon... the clients are definitely barking. :-)

As an aside, I've actually agreed with a lot of what you've said Jay, but I find it funny to read posts like:

If it's not in your hands, then, why would you be locking a schedule in 5 weeks? :bleh:

I RELEASE schdule you smart ass.. Not a SHOOTING schedule!!

[Steve Gibby]

Hi Gibby,

For clarification, when I first reserved my camera, the estimated (although subject to change) date was 1st quarter '07. The pre-NAB delivery schedule was June. I was never told an August date, so I'm unsure of where that came from.

As for the conclusions... what conclusions? I have not pulled my order, have not convinced anyone else to pull theirs. I have voiced a mild concern, which has been the very same concern clients have voiced to me. I'm not out of line and this is not Red-bashing. I'm sure if Red knew when they could deliver, they would inform us. The fact that we have not been informed, is what concerns me.

If this is not the appropriate board to discuss this, then I apologize and feel free to delete my comments.

Thanks.

-CJ Roy

CJ,

As you mentioned, effectively no delivery schedule with numbers was given until the one before NAB. I misread your reservation number, and the pre-NAB schedule has been taken down. Thus the "August". My bad. If you re-read your post, it does sounds like you had come to a conclusion that your camera wouldn't deliver on time. At the time your post, and mine referring to it, were made, Jim Jannard had not posted his update about potentially expecting a lockin schedule in 5 weeks (around 6/17). There's nothing in my post that accused you of "RED bashing".

We have now been informed that we can probably expect a locked in schedule in about 5 weeks. That should help everyone's planning. As a producer/director I regularly have to shift to a temporary Plan B, as I'm sure you do too.

[Jay A. Kelley]

When this is all over and done (product in production and deliveries underway) I'd love to give a recap of some the process we had to go through. It might make for interesting reading... we'll maybe for a couple of people.
Jim

I REALLY want to read this recap..... I bet it's been a wild ride so far.

Jay

[Häakon]

I RELEASE schdule you smart ass.. Not a SHOOTING schedule!!

Sorry Jay, I misunderstood your post. The first part was about shooting schedules, and I didn't see the transition clearly. I apologize.

I still think that the higher the reservation number, the less people seem to care about the delay(s)... which is only logical and makes sense. If you're number 300+ on the list, then Mike is probably right... there's no reason to lose sleep over it at all. It's the earlier serial numbers that have more of a stake in when the initial release happens.

[Steve Gibby]

C'mon Haakon, tell it like it is...Jay you're a pain in the _ _ _ !

:whistling:

(you know I'm kidding, right?)

[Emanuel A.]

Thank you Jim for the feedback and your continued presence here. I find it reassuring to know you're there listening. I also have people asking me: "so when's that camera coming?". Right now I'm pretty relaxed, I say it was never meant to arrive before August, and it may be delayed. I certainly hope not by too much however.

To all my fellow res holders, I'm eagerly awaiting for a new delivery scedule, but I understand two things. The first is that the next schedule better hold, so we don't get disapointed and to not feed the nay sayers with arguments. The second thing is, the camera better live up to expectations right from the get go, too many problems may kill this project.

So, let's breath slowly and steadily and give Jim and team our support, because that's all we can do.

Cheers,
Damien

I second you. The Jim's presence here is the most important proof that's not a Kinetta -- period.

I'd prefer if we all might think 2008 as a new target date and -- if it would be possible to deliver first, we all would be surprised by Jim once again. Although an accurate schedule would still be better. But please don't push earlier dates. We need a powerful RED ONE, not in a hurry-piece-of-hassles!

[Jay A. Kelley]

C'mon Haakon, tell it like it is...Jay you're a pain in the _ _ _ !

:whistling:

(you know I'm kidding, right?)

Ok.. That's the last straw.. You better lay down Gib, cause you already dead!!!

(I love that threat!!)

This is a fun thread...

:usd:

[Steve Gibby]

Ok.. That's the last straw.. You better lay down Gib, cause you already dead!!!

(I love that threat!!)

This is a fun thread...

:usd:

:cold: :rip_1:

(LOL!)

[Roberto B]

As for the conclusions... what conclusions? I have not pulled my order, have not convinced anyone else to pull theirs. I have voiced a mild concern, which has been the very same concern clients have voiced to me. I'm not out of line and this is not Red-bashing. I'm sure if Red knew when they could deliver, they would inform us. The fact that we have not been informed, is what concerns me.

completely there i am.. yoda says i'd have had different plans for my 2007 if i had guess this uncertain delay.. early 2007 it already was.. it has been changed for late 2007.. 6 months later.. at least..

[Jay A. Kelley]

completely there i am.. yoda says i'd have had different plans for my 2007 if i had guess this uncertain delay.. early 2007 it already was.. it has been changed for late 2007.. 6 months later.. at least..

I don't want to flop around here, but seriously guys, Jim used everything short of smoke signals to say the dates were not set in stone. When the first schedule, and every schedule after that came out, he said the dates were subject to change.

What we're talking about here is the "unspoken intent". In other words, Jim EXPECTED his schedule to work and the fact that it did not go the way he wanted it was the cause for my note that started this..

HOWEVER: Anyone making any type of plans on the prior schedule does so at his own risk.

Let's look at this from a business perspective and put it to rest go I can go back to threatening Gibby...:

What we know:

All current issues RED is having in engineering have CONFIRMED solutions. There is nothing stopping them in that way (If I understood Jim correctly).

Jim feels reasonably safe saying he can provide a locked schedule within 5 weeks.

So there you go.. It's not a question of "if" it's just "when" and the "when" does not seem that bad.

Hope this helps

Jay

Now Gibby....:ninja: :pirate: :rip_1: