3D-Cinema with RED

[Daniel Reichenbach]

I'm thinking about a stereoscopic-technique for RED. There is a raising demand for 3D-life pictures for innovative high-tech attractions in the entertainment business (3D,4D,5D) cinema. Until now most of these techniques were realised with 35mm or now HD (2 cameras parallel use). But with RED, these are my thoughts, wouldn't it be possible, to use just one camera? In the older days, there was a hype for stereoscopic images in still fotography. Quiet every known camera brand (Agfa, Leica, Praktica, Kodak,ASO) had there stereoscopic cameras (see this page, sorry, just on german, go to http://www.stereoskopie.com/ and then to "stereovorsätze".

And also for film: Very interesting these pictures of a Bolex Camera with a stereoscopic lens mount. So, my naive question: RED has enough resolution to use as a 3D-Camera for HD projection, or with anamorphic lenses even higher. Has everybody on this forum an idea or also thinking about a working technology for this upcoming 3D to 5D cinema thing?

[Stephen Gentle]

This has been discussed at great length before...

I think that two REDs would be better than one. 4K 3D would look amazing

[Daniel Reichenbach]

This has been discussed at great length before...

I think that two REDs would be better than one. 4K 3D would look amazing

I know, I know, but I'm looking for a lightweight solution. I know that the 3D camera stuff was discussed. But imaging: With a one camera solution you don't need big teams, you'll be able to do it in a small team and that's exactly the REDphilosophy somehow. Let's say, you shoot landscape stuff, you have to deal with the fact, that some of the best pictures aren't right close to the streets, you have to climb, to swim, to fly - whatever. Waiting for best light ASO. So I will be happy to have a smarter solution than just put to cameras together which at least can't realised by a small team.

[Robert Sanders]

I know, I know, but I'm looking for a lightweight solution. I know that the 3D camera stuff was discussed. But imaging: With a one camera solution you don't need big teams, you'll be able to do it in a small team and that's exactly the REDphilosophy somehow. Let's say, you shoot landscape stuff, you have to deal with the fact, that some of the best pictures aren't right close to the streets, you have to climb, to swim, to fly - whatever. Waiting for best light ASO. So I will be happy to have a smarter solution than just put to cameras together which at least can't realised by a small team.

I've wondered similar things. Could a special lens adapter be manufactured that would mount two lenses and then target the two 2K images (left and right) and then turn them 90 degrees on axis and record the two 2K images on the left and right side of the sensor, side by side.

For light-weight work this would be ideal. And of course there would be a twin RED 4K rig as well.

[husakm]

It is generaly impossibele to shoot good 3D movie with single camera.
Godo compositon requests adjustable separation = impossibel to do with what you sugegst.

[Kevin Lang]

There is a stereo lens system that was built by Chris Condon and used by a filmmaker in the 70's Earl Owensby in Shelby NC. James Cameron used Owensby's Studio for the making of The Abyss and took interest in Owensby's stereo lens system and did alot of tests with them for Terminator 3d and opted for a dual camera system. I have been dying to try these lense's out myself.

[JohnF]

Just thought I'd mention.

Canon produced a couple of prototype 3D lenses for the XL miniDV camera's.

See here

It was a standard XL mount with two lenses inside and(as was mentioned at the time) had a zoom capability with automatic convergence adjustment, allowing for relative easy shooting.
I believe it was designed to use the 25/30i recording mode using 2 fields in a frame to record the parralax images. One could wear "shutter" glasses in sync with the monitor to get the 3D effect.

It was sad that they did not release the lens to market as I believe this would have "jump-started" the 3d market 7 years before now. (In 2000 I'd mentioned the possibilities of this lens to a number of corporate clients who became very interested in 3D marketing, publicity and training vids due to the low cost this system would have represented)

I know it doesn't bare much significance to today's cameras like RED but it does illustrate that with some ingenuity single camera 3D is, to some degree, possible.

JohnF

[Billy Summers]

Check out www.paradisefx.com



...any questions?

[Maciej Orman]

Yes, I am designing a stereoscopic adapter to be used with 28 mm and 35 mm Cannon's EF lenses. Stereo base ranging from 60 mm to 180 mm and horizontal view angle 20 deg to 35 deg per eye.
Will post 3D HD test footage done with Epic soon.

[Brian D. Goff]

MKBK designed a lens system to turn the phantom 65mm into a stereo camera - Doug Trumbull (http://blog.abelcine.com/2011/04/08/...-65-z3d-shoot/) did a test and was pleased with the results. I saw footage both at NAB and at MKBK headquarters in Moscow - I too found the 3d experiance best up-to date.