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  1. #1 4K BATTLE: Red , Phantom65 , Genesis and Dalsa 
    Hi all ,
    it seems the battle is getting started:

    RED : the most affordable with the most amount of features.
    www.red.com

    PHANTOM 65 : i believe the most powerful rival for RED , best suited for visual-effects and slo-mo cinematography.
    www.visionresearch.com

    Genesis : from the most famous camera producer , is gaining acceptability between DP's specially after shooting Mel Gibson's Apocalypto with it.
    www.panavision.com

    Dalsa Origin : the first 4k claimer , i believe is losing the battle becouse has not yet updated the features.
    www.dalsa.com

    what's your idea , who is the winner ?

    i believe RED , becouse of it's marketing and management top strategies. but rivals are stronger , RED should speed-up, hmm ?
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    in the recent issue of American Cinematographer is an article about the Dalsa Origin. To make it short: The shoots (Commercial for Snickers amongst other) convinced the Cinematographers (Rolf Kestermann | David Stump, ASC). David Stump actually "loved the camera" and states that neither its size nor the needed tether bothered him. He also liked the optical viewfinder a lot.

    Seems as if Dalsa is making some points...
    never heard of the Phantom 65 though... will go on reading ;-)
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    :o What is the Red camera??

    sorry couldn't resist.

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    Russians have their own 4K camera. Check this out:
    http://www.kinor.ru/products/camera/dc4k/
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    Milan, I don't think it's a 4k camera though as you need an anamorphic lens to get the 4k. I think the real pixel dimensions are nearer the quoted "flat" 2400x1350.

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    Yes, it does seem rather odd to claim in the specs that the resolution is suddenly magically greater when you use an anamorpthic (sic) lens!

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    Graeme, you are right, the sensor is 2400x1350 with standard lenses. What this anamorphic lens do to make it close to the 4K?
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    Well, when you record the image with a flat lens, the sensor gives you 2400 pixels across. When you use an anamorphic lens, it squashes the light into that 2400 pixels. When you stretch the image back out in post (ie, scale it) the image looks "right" when it's 4000 pixels across, but those extra pixels are just rough guesstimates of what it really would have looked like if you'd had 4000 pixels. I'd expect it to be a very soft looking 4k. Anyone got any images from this interesting camera??

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    najafi/didarfilm, why have you included Genesis which is a 1080p camera in the 4k "Battle"?

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    It's a bit like cheap scanners, which often claim to have a resolution of "XXXX DPI (interpolated)"!

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