Data workflow for high-end online (broadcast/TV)?

[Rob Lohman]

I'm quite surprised by this. I'm sort of a Windows user and have done most my editing on Sony Vegas. I can just drop any framerate in any timeline. Too bad it's 8-bit only at the moment.

[Graeme Nattress]

How does it deal with off-rate frames though - does it add proper pulldown?

Graeme

[Nick Shaw]

Final Cut will let you drop a clip of any frame rate in a time-line of any frame rate, and you can edit with it. It's just controlling how it converts between the frame rates for final quality mastering that is an issue. Graeme's standards conversion plug-ins certainly help.

I have done edits with a mix of NTSC and PAL rushes, and been able to work with them in the same time-line. It's just that once the cut was locked, it took a fair bit of fiddling to get the best final result. It didn't help that some of the NTSC footage was film originated with pull-down, and some was 'real' 60i. I didn't have Graeme's plug-ins at the time, so there was a lot of bouncing back and forth to After Effects!

Nick

[Michael Schrengohst]

Hello Rob,
Yes I used Vegas until the HVX200 came out. Made the switch to FCP.
It was hard at first but now I would not go back. Especially now that it looks like RED footage will be more comfortable in FCP.

[GlennChan]

I think a reasonable solution for Red is to allow Redcine to add pulldown if necessary, and pay attention to the details (i.e. in EDLs, Red pull list). Convert all your 24p footage to 60i, and edit the footage as if it were 60i.

[donatello b]

from my experience - 23.976 & 24fps are two different frame rates when editing ...
if you have a 23.976 time line and you drop a true 24fps clip in it - the NLE does not slow the clip down so it plays back at 23.976 it converts the clip to 23.976 ( it will drop a frame/field every X sec- which is different the slowing it down to 23.976 which would not drop any frame/fields ) ....

AE can change the speed of a clip from 24fps to 23.976 ( slowing it down)..or it can convert it to 23.976 by drpping a frame/field every X sec ...

[Rob Lohman]

the NLE does not slow the clip down

'm assuming you are talking about a specific NLE? At least some NLE's let you choose which way you want to go (with a default when you drop the clip in)

[donatello b]

i don't know of a NLE that slows/speeds up a clip that has a different frame rate once the properties of the project is set ( as in change the speed of the clip without adding/deleting fields/frames)
24 & 23.976 are pretty close - so it's a bit hard for the mind to really think it would make a difference ...
the mind can see the difference if you take a 29.97 clip and drop it into a 23.976 TL it doesn't slow the clip down - it drops frames/fields to get the speed down to 23.976.. or if you take a 23.976 clip and drop it in a 29.97 TL it doesn't speed it up - it adds frames/fields to equal 29.97 fps ..

[Nick Shaw]

I'm pretty sure FCP let's you mix 23.976 and 24 fps on the same time-line without dropping frames. I always thought the only real difference was drop frame and non drop frame time-code. But what do I know. I normally work at 25 fps.

Nick

[Nick Shaw]

Following on from my last comment, I just did a test in FCP, and you can indeed drop a 24 fps clip into a 23.976 fps timeline. It just treats it as if it was at the time-line frame rate, and goes in frame for frame.

Nick