Suggestions for improving RED

[najafi/didarfilm]

Hi REDs

although RED would be the best solution , but i have some idea to improve it:

1- Mechanical Shutter :the thing that DoPs like it so much , becouse it's their sole immediate connection to the natural raw image. VIPER and DALSA have it.
2- Bayar Pattern : it has been proven that Bayar Pattern is not a good equivelant for developer liquid , we would encounter real problems and artifacts transcoding the image by Bayar Pattern.
3- Higher Frame Rates : although 60fps in full resolution is acceptable for high-speed cinematography but it's compeletly clear that cinematographers would require it so soon , and we would see them after having RED that are working in 35mm just becouse of frame rate.

thanks
hossein najafi

[Zakaree Sandberg]

i know a mechanical shutter would cost more money and possibly make the body larger.. were getting alot for 17,5

[Mark Thorpe]

I'm not pestering anyone but with so many 'how to improve RED' posts out there I suggest we wait to see what the guys come up with before we start asking for improvements.

The whole RED team have done a sterling job, taking a dream and turning that into a reality (almost). For what they have achieved at this stage deserves a massive dose of gratitude and thanks. Taking on this venture was an open invitation to failure but they are a determined bunch who's collective skills and knowledge reflect the very leading edge of imagery acquisition and workflow protocols.

I would imagine at this stage in the game there is hardly any space left to even contemplate too many changes in the final appearance / ability of RED. So whilst some of the points raised in the past few weeks may be valid and have credibility I would like to suggest we all just get behind the guys as they get into the back straightaway and cheer them on even harder, positive feedback for a positive result.

Cheers,
Mark.

P.S I'm sure Jim and the gang will be open to building in all the extras people have suggested in RED ONE 1.0.1. That is of course once they have released their Ultra Primes range of glass for both 2K and 4 K formats, shipped all the complimentary hats out to the REDCORE and decided on the winner of the RED T-shirt design competition .......... uh ohhh, do I hear the gauntlet falling??

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Exactly. We need to wait for RED to ship before we start thinking of ways to improve it.

Personally, I'm thrilled. Without RED, I would be staring at a Sony XDCAM system or a used Varicam as my purchase options. Instead, I'm being presented with the ability to shoot 2K/4K 4:4:4 -- 2K at up to double the FPS of Varicam. All on a full 35mm sensor (vs. 2/3" of those other cameras).

[Finner]

If RED ships before some important things are addressed it would be a shame. RED has found this forum useful because of the input people give (Just in the last few days Stuart was asking for input and preferences on audio gain pots). Red has mentioned many times that the input they have recieved from us has helped further the development of the camera the whole way. Even right now it is stated that nothing about the camera is set in stone yet. I think it is very important for people to express their ideas and concerns here and no one should try and supress these thoughts. If the idea sucks the RED team will scan over it and toss it out or not respond. If it is a great idea though there is a good chance it will benifit all of us.

All this said I don't find anything Najafi mentions to be anything that RED is not already trying to incorporate or can not because of the 17.5k price point. I am on the other hand thankful that Najafi feels comfortable to post his thoughts and ideas because it could easily be a big suprise who comes up with a brilliant idea.

[Mark Thorpe]

Good points Finner,
I, as everyone, want to see the all singing all dancing RED ONE start shipping on time and to a happy audience. I also believe that there is also a very true cut off time with regards to the development of RED in order for the team to start bolting everything down, getting the final tests done and realizing their delivery deadlines.

Personally I believe the time now should be spent in positive encouragement to all involved in the hope that the final product will live up to all our expectations. If the team do decide to take on something posted here at whatever time as a design feature then I applaud them for their balls in doing so.

Regards,
Mark.

[Finner]

I am sure there will be a cut off time as all areas of design and engineering become finished. I figure the RED team will do a very good job knowing when that will be. I don't think they need us to tell them when that should be.

[Roberto B]

If RED ships before some important things are addressed it would be a shame. RED has found this forum useful because of the input people give (Just in the last few days Stuart was asking for input and preferences on audio gain pots). Red has mentioned many times that the input they have recieved from us has helped further the development of the camera the whole way. Even right now it is stated that nothing about the camera is set in stone yet. I think it is very important for people to express their ideas and concerns here and no one should try and supress these thoughts. If the idea sucks the RED team will scan over it and toss it out or not respond. If it is a great idea though there is a good chance it will benifit all of us.

All this said I don't find anything Najafi mentions to be anything that RED is not already trying to incorporate or can not because of the 17.5k price point. I am on the other hand thankful that Najafi feels comfortable to post his thoughts and ideas because it could easily be a big suprise who comes up with a brilliant idea.

and who will pay our bills while we'll wait for the red?.. you?..

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or while we wait for your red timing..

[Finner]

and who will pay our bills while we'll wait for the red?.. (or for your time to go w/ red) you?..

No I won't pay you! squat, jack, nada nothing.

Tell me how much will you get paid for a job that needs some features that were not incorporated in the RED?

Oh wait I think I can answer this one. Squat, Jack, Nada.

Don't be in a rush to get something that you may end up being unhappy with.

Also myself and it seems like many others here work regularly with the equipment that is on the market right now. I use ARRI, Panavision or even sometimes sony HD or Varicam so why not just do that like the rest of the pros do.

If you think just owning and having a RED is going to make you money as a profesional I think you will be very disapointed. If you are not working now I doubt highly just owning a RED will get you work.

[Roberto B]

No I won't pay you! squat, jack, nada nothing.

Tell me how much will you get paid for a job that needs some features that were not incorporated in the RED?

Oh wait I think I can answer this one. Squat, Jack, Nada.

Don't be in a rush to get something that you may end up being unhappy with.

that one has my vote..

Also myself and it seems like many others here work regularly with the equipment that is on the market right now. I use ARRI, Panavision or even sometimes sony HD or Varicam so why not just do that like the rest of the pros do.

If you think just owning and having a RED is going to make you money as a profesional I think you will be very disapointed. If you are not working now I doubt highly just owning a RED will get you work.

i'm an artist man.. (and a proud fanboy too..) no worries there.. eheheh.. i don't eat from your soup..

here is a good reading for you:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58


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enjoy it..