S35 Sensor (Epic X) and Nikon DX lenses crop

[Alexander Alexandrov]

As I understand Nikon DX sensor is approx. 24×16 mm which is ~ 28.84 mm diagonal
RED One Sensor is 24.4x13.7mm, which is 27.98mm diagonal

now: S35 (Epic X) sensor is 30x15mm which is ~33.54 mm diagonal

so, nikon DX lenses will not cover Epic X S35 sensors and thus wont work for (Epic X) S35 sensor, correct?

[Lee Saxon]

It may not. If the S35 sensor is active edge-to-edge and DX lenses EXACTLY cover 28.84 without any extra leeway.

But we know the active area of the S35 sensor won't be 30x15 (Evin Grant guesstimated once that the active area was closer to 27.7x14.7 and Jim said he was pretty close) and I'd be surprised if the DX lenses didn't offer even a touch of leeway.

So maybe they will

[Alexander Alexandrov]

yup, i'm wondering what the active sensor area of S35 in 16x9 would be.
really hoping the DX lenses could still work on S35

[Lee Saxon]

If Evin Grant's guess that 16x9 is about 25.8x13.96 is right, then that at least would come within the tiiiiiniest smidgen of working.

[David Mullen ASC]

As I understand Nikon DX sensor is approx. 24×16 mm which is ~ 28.84 mm diagonal
RED One Sensor is 24.4x13.7mm, which is 27.98mm diagonal

now: S35 (Epic X) sensor is 30x15mm which is ~33.54 mm diagonal

so, nikon DX lenses will not cover S35 sensors and thus wont work for S35 sensor, correct?

Just to be clear, "Super-35" is not 30x15mm.

The RED ONE sensor is Super-35 more or less (and a 4K recording uses slightly less than Super-35), and so is the Nikon APS-C sensor, but the upcoming Mysterium-X sensor is larger than Super-35.

A 3-perf 35mm cine frame, Full Aperture (3-perf Super-35) is 24.89mm x 13.87mm -- very similar to the RED ONE Mysterium sensor in size.

But 30mm x 15mm is larger than Super-35. But not as large as Full-Frame 35mm (36mm x 24mm). It's an inbetween size.

Now some Super-35 lenses will cover that larger area and some will not (usually it's the wider-angle ones you have to worry about.)

[Jarred Land]

dont forget about look around area guys..

and if your going into this level of detail ( fractions of a mm ), you need to remember when your doing M-X calculations your using the rounded-up 30x15mm numbers by comparison so it's not going to be as accurate.

[David Mullen ASC]

I see why people are confused, as well as myself:
http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

RED is calling their larger-than-S35 30x15mm Mysterium-X sensor "S35" and they are calling their S35-sized Mysterium sensor "RED ONE".

So after all that debate we had about what to name the larger Mysterium-X size, RED decided to call it "S35" and call the RED ONE sensor something else, even though it is actually S35 in size?

So now "Super-35" has become 30x15mm, and the actual Super-35 size is now called "RED ONE"? And "RED ONE" is now the name of a sensor size between 2/3" and S35?

And now a bunch of lenses we normally say "cover Super-35" may not actually cover RED's "Super-35" sensor?

[Roberto B]

funny post Mullen.. funny post.. ehehehehe

edit
any proposals for the baptism?

[Lee Saxon]

dont forget about look around area guys..

and if your going into this level of detail ( fractions of a mm ), you need to remember when your doing M-X calculations your using the rounded-up 30x15mm numbers by comparison so it's not going to be as accurate.

Well like with everything else it's fun to speculate until you guys finalize and announce the details.

Actually the speculating is probably more fun than discussing the real thing once it appears.

[Jarred Land]

Yup.. speculation is good.. it's not fair to ask you not to speculate if we don't give you all the answers...

As David post clearly shows, things change, keep changing, and will most likely always change in the future.

Definitions, specifications, sizes and standards that we all thought were solid a month ago, a week ago, or even a day ago, change. We don't let legacy slow us down at RED.

We don't let things that we said, printed, or posted in the past dictate or restrict new ideas. I know it's hard for some to come along for the ride. It frustrates people that demand normalcy.

I do sincerely apologize for that frustration, but I do not apologize for the way we execute our evolution.