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    mike, i see on your website that you managed to capture a still of pawel and steve in action:



    haha just kidding guys!

    when are you hoping to start shooting? you're already in Botswana, or is that your base of operations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike holding View Post
    By the way, I'm interested as to why you shoot 1/120th sec - I am so used to shooting 1/48th to emulate a "film look" - am I missing something obvious?

    It seems from what I have read on these forums that changing back and forth to the Nikon mount, while not complicated, is probably not a sensible field option for us, and that I should try to lens the cameras with PL mount kit. What are the Canon mount options?

    I have a nice Super16 Canon (in PL), 11.5 - 165 - do you happen to know if this will cover the 3K window, or only the 2K option?

    I will put together a final "wish list" on the kit and PM for your opinion/advice, if I may?

    The last question is this - can anyone point me in the right direction with regard to sources for good second-hand cine lenses, and also Nikon lenses? There are dozens of websites of course, (no way I'm buying of eBay:)) but its hard for me to know who is reputable. There is little available here in the wilds of Africa!
    I sometimes shoot 23.98 at 1/48th sec for an HDTV finish – when the subject matter is relatively stationary – beauty B-roll and 2nd unit footage. But when there is any kind of rapid motion in the subject matter I usually shoot 29.97 at 120th sec. The reason for that is I’m not a big fan of 24p judder in fast motion subjects. The additional frames of 29.97, and getting above a 180-degree shutter somewhat (1/120th sec) makes for a smooth presentation of fast subjects. If the footage is well lit and well shot, it still looks very filmic – but smooth. I shoot a lot of fast running animals, fast moving sports objects and people, and a lot of aerials. For all those we use a ton of slow motion playbacks. If I’m shooting 3k of those subjects with RED it is usually at a 23.98 project frame rate, 48 fps in Varispeed for a 50% slo-mo, and a shutter speed of 120. Those parameters have given us the smoothest slow motion in post. When shooting 2k with RED for slo-mos, I use a project frame rate of 23.98, Varispeed overcrank of 120 fps, and a shutter speed of 1/196th. The slo-mos are glass smooth using that combo.

    With practice you can change from PL to Nikon mount on RED in about 5 minutes. Back focus on RED One is via a twisting collar behind the mount. I mark on the collar where BF is for both PL and Nikon, thus saving me from having to BF the camera after every mount change. In reality, though, obviously you want to be sure you don’t have a bunch of dust flying around when you change mounts – a hindrince to changing mounts out in the bush.

    Looking forward, RED has said they intend to make the mounts changeable on Epic and Scarlet by four bolts – a procedure they say will take about a minute. Then BF is adjusted quickly by tweaking movable sensor block. They have said they plan to make RED, PL, Canon, and Nikon mounts for those cameras. All things with RED are subject to change – so we’ll see how that comes out.

    The only Canon mount option for RED One is the Birger mount – a smart mount that controls Canon lenses.

    Your Super16 lens will not cover 3k. It will cover 2k.

    For used cine lenses Duclos Lenses in the L.A. area is quite good. So is Focus Optics, again in the L.A. area. Both those are also excellent for cine lens servicing. I’m sure there are also other good cine lens places you can find.

    For used Nikon lenses I’ve had very good luck with B&H Photo in New York. I own 21 Nikon lenses that I use on RED One – with excellent results!

    Cheers :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike holding View Post
    Lively discussion is definitely healthy, but I'm glad to see you and Pawel made peace! - I was getting a bit nervous there! :couch:
    That's really how a tech forum like this should function though - healthy debate and and exchange of ideas and experiences. :-)

    As you know as a veteran of this industry, everyone figures out what works for them and goes with it. With media convergence, and especially the cross-genre, and multi-style nature of RED one, people arrive here with a wide diversity of backgrounds, applications, and aspirations. That naturally fosters discussion and disputes. With Epic and Scarlet being able to be used in three main industries - cine, EFP, stills - there will be an even wider divergence of opinions in how to "correctly" lens and use the cameras.

    But from all of the debates people get new ideas, share concepts, and in the process most of us are enriched.

    Its all good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Gibby View Post
    But when there is any kind of rapid motion in the subject matter I usually shoot 29.97 at 120th sec.
    I agree with Steve, and I'm grateful to him for that piece of advice myself ! However, the judder effect should be greatly reduced with proper monitoring/broadcasting. Am I wrong?

    BTW, Steve, still sticking to later versions of build 16, I won't get 30fps at 4K unless I quit redcode 36. I think no available build permits that, anyway. Any input about the way the two redcodes will mix together ?

    As many of us I guess, I sometimes make extensive use of the prerecord function. I noticed that any reel including many shots of that kind and the high number of clips associated with each shot will make my redcine freeze (and my computer as well). Any user of redcine here ?
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    Tom, glad you spotted that picture...

    Dammit! - that was just the warmup! - I missed the real action because I was busy checking my lens l/mm on one of those fancy charts!

    Oh and by the way, while we are on this real high tech stuff, how do I get a "quote" to appear in a neat little red box like you guys do?
    Don't want to look like a techno-pygmy.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by mike holding View Post

    Yes, Botswana is home - I live in a tent....


    You're kidding, right?

    To get quotes, hit the "Go Advanced" tab in the reply box, then highlight what you want to quote. Then hit the little button above the replay box that looks like a dialog bubble. Or just hit "Quote" on the person you want to quote's post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    mike, i see on your website that you managed to capture a still of pawel and steve in action:
    hahaha, that's the one.
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    You're kidding, right?
    No Tom, not kidding...
    The first pic is home for 9 months of the year....
    The second is the view from my living room ...
    The third is me driving to work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike holding View Post
    No Tom, not kidding...
    The first pic is home for 9 months of the year....
    The second is the view from my living room ...
    The third is me driving to work...
    Wow, what a place!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike holding View Post
    No Tom, not kidding...
    The first pic is home for 9 months of the year....
    The second is the view from my living room ...
    The third is me driving to work...
    OMG, dude, you are hardcore!! Living the dream. So cool.
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