RedRocket integration by Maquise Technologies : MIST

[dtatut]

@Craig: yes your configuration will work fine. However for 4K, it's not just the RED Rocket that counts but also the graphics card (e.g. Nvidia). A low-cost graphics card will not have good transfer rates for this, so consider buying a 4800 if you want problem-less display and grading of 4K files at 1:1 scale.

BUT!!! It's not necessary if you think about it.. Your screen will not be able to display 4K anyway. So what you can do is use the downscaling option in MIST and display at 2K which is something that most graphics cards can do without a problem nowadays.

There is a Dynamic Resolution option in MIST that will switch dynamically to 2K during playback/grading and back to 4K when you stop. In other words, you don't need to empty your pockets when you do not necessarily need to....

Dan

[Lucas Wilson]

@Craig: yes your configuration will work fine.

Hi Dan,

With that configuration, how would you output SDI?

Lucas

[Gabriele Turchi]

For example some people use MIST along with Scratch/FCP/DaVinci 2K.

Dan

how this cam be used with scratch?
i mean for what purpose?

thanks

g

[dtatut]

@Lucas: hi! please elaborate your question so I can reply properly.

@Gabriele: some people use it to relieve Scratch from basic tasks and video I/O, it's not "connected" directly to Scratch. It's a question of having a small tool and save the Scratch station for more demanding jobs (secondary color correction, etc)

[Gabriele Turchi]

Hi,
i do have scratch (so i knew that i snot integrated) , but i guess i was asking what task might replace and why...(just trying to understand if i need it...)

PS:Price range?
Thanks

g

[craigjkharris]

Hi Dan,

With that configuration, how would you output SDI?

Lucas

It will be interesting to see which developer (Scratch; MIST; Iridas) comes out with the first MAC friendly solution. Iridas has some great tools that work with MAC, but the SDI OUT is still an issue due to Nvidia + MAC not having a solution. At this point, MIST seems closer and more willing to please MAC users than Scratch. I read that MIST is considering supporting AJA & BlackMagic cards. If you could debayer all RED footage with the Rocket and then have deck control and have SDI out with a Kona or Decklink... that would be awesome.

[dtatut]

@craig: just to make things clear: we do not support the SDI out of the Nvidia on Mac OSX. Only under Windows. Our software only runs on Windows (and Linux soon, Mac will come later).

As it has been said here a great number of times by Lucas Wilson, that's an issue related to Apple's refusal to have that thing certified. However, Nvidia officials like to say that it will happen very soon.

We also do not target Mac users against PC users. The reality is that Red has dragged a lot of Mac guys in this field. I know only few DoPs that do not own a Mac and of course the efforts made by Red to have Apple as a platform of choice for Red is also a good reason.

The Red community is very active here on this very forum. But we also support other formats. We don't make just a Red-dedicated tool...

Dan

[Lucas Wilson]

@Lucas: hi! please elaborate your question so I can reply properly.

Hi Dan,

You had said that Craig's MacPro Tower configuration would work with a RED grading and dailies configuration. For Grading and Dailies work, SDI is essential as a stable color reference. Putting an Nvidia SDI card in a Tower means that you can't boot successfully into OSX.

So I was wondering how you were getting SDI out of that particular configuration.

I know MIST is not on OSX, so obviously getting SDI out of Windows is not an issue. This was a question just targeted at that specific configuration.

Lucas

[craigjkharris]

Hi Dan,

With that configuration, how would you output SDI?

Lucas

@craig: just to make things clear: we do not support the SDI out of the Nvidia on Mac OSX. Only under Windows. Our software only runs on Windows (and Linux soon, Mac will come later).

As it has been said here a great number of times by Lucas Wilson, that's an issue related to Apple's refusal to have that thing certified. However, Nvidia officials like to say that it will happen very soon.

We also do not target Mac users against PC users. The reality is that Red has dragged a lot of Mac guys in this field. I know only few DoPs that do not own a Mac and of course the efforts made by Red to have Apple as a platform of choice for Red is also a good reason.

The Red community is very active here on this very forum. But we also support other formats. We don't make just a Red-dedicated tool...

Dan

Understood.
I didn't mean to sound like MIST is a MAC software. I am well aware of that. However, the fact that you are considering supporting MAC is a big positive!
If Nvidia comes out with a MAC compatible SDI card that would be a big help.



Craig

[M Most]

Understood.
I didn't mean to sound like MIST is a MAC software. I am well aware of that. However, the fact that you are considering supporting MAC is a big positive!
If Nvidia comes out with a MAC compatible SDI card that would be a big help.

"Considering" is very different than committing. Every software company considers all possibilities, particularly if those possibilities are well entrenched in a particular market segment. Anyone wanting to participate in the high end world "considers" Linux. Anyone wanting to participate in the "do it yourself" world "considers" Apple. Anyone wanting to participate in the general consumer market and/or the business world "considers" Windows. And that consideration comes regardless of what platform the program originates on. There is also the movement to platform agnostic support, exemplified by Google. Of course, anything that is even remotely hardware dependent is going to find that route very challenging. But in general, any statement of platform "consideration" is more of a courtesy than a strategic roadmap, especially when the platform being considered doesn't currently have support for required hardware.