Thread: Calling Epson...
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11-10-2009, 11:53 PM
Originally Posted by Peter Majtan
I keep telling SONY to release sub-10K version of their HD SXRD projectors with 2K DCI spec (2048x1080 instead of 1920x1080). That would be a major hit with posthouses and home studios. I can only imagine what impact would a sub-10K 4K projector had on our industry...
Peter
Yes, I can see the same effect as well, but will someone please tell their friend at TI to make a 4k DLP chip please? I am hoping for 3-chip 4k DLP to come in and rock the world.
KO
11-11-2009, 12:00 AM
Regarding 4K panels:
JVC has a 4K projector on sale. As I have been told its mostly sold to rich home users, regardless of its still high price. Replacement for the 5th Porsche...
They also have working 8K prototypes. They are well prepared.
And their projectors are widely used in grading suites, so its reference class. And high end home user device class. Most professional companies actually can't afford it, budget wise. That is really amazing.
I told them a couple of times that the price needs to come down to a range, say, like the RED ONE body. Then it would sell like hell...
I wonder what the new 4K DLPs will make with that market.
Just sayin,
Axel
11-11-2009, 12:10 AM
Epson Develops World’s First 4K Compatible HTPS TFT Liquid Crystal Panel for 3LCD Projectors
WEBWIRE – Monday, November 09, 2009
TOKYO, Japan - Seiko Epson Corporation ("Epson", TSE:6724) today announced that it has developed the world’s first* 4K-compatible high-temperature polysilicon (HTPS) TFT liquid crystal panel for 3LCD projectors. Measuring 1.64 inches diagonally, the new panel supports displays with resolutions up to 4096 × 2160 pixels.
Projector applications continue to expand. In addition to being used for business presentations, projectors are gaining wider use in the classroom, in auditoriums and at big events. Meanwhile, demand for high-performance products is expected to grow as more and more households enjoy full HD content via digital broadcasts and high definition video players.
With a resolution of nearly 8.85 megapixels, 4K panels offer four times the resolution of full HD (1920 × 1080), making them ideal for the high resolutions required by special applications such as industrial design, architectural design and simulations, as well as for presentations and projecting four full HD images at the same time.
To meet this market demand, Epson employed the latest process and C2 Fine technologies in the new panels and developed a new, original driving method optimized for 4K resolution to achieve high-resolution projected images with outstanding brightness and contrast.
Epson is committed to supporting the growing range of projector applications by combining its original technologies to expand and enhance its HTPS lineup with panels that further raise the performance of 3LCD projectors.
* Source: Epson research, as of the end of October 2009
Panel features
* High-resolution 4K-compatible
o 1.64": 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels) - the world’s first 4K HTPS panel*
* Includes Epson’s original LCD driver optimized for 4K resolution
* Benefits of using C2 Fine:
1. High contrast
2. Smooth images
3. Jet-black color reproduction
* C2Fine: An original Epson technology for achieving high-quality, vivid images with high contrast by combining an inorganic liquid crystal alignment layer with vertical alignment technology
Panel specification
LCD type C2 Fine (VA inorganic alignment layer)
Process technology D7
Effective pixels 4096 x 2160
Panel size (diagonal) 1.64 inch (4.2 cm)
Pixel pitch 9 µm
Related information
To learn more about the advantages of HTPS panels, visit:
http://www.epson.jp/e/products/device/htps/.
To learn more about 3LCD technology, visit:
http://www.3lcd.com/.New window
Product exhibition
Epson will show ultra-high resolution images including 3D when it exhibits a prototype ultra-high resolution projector using the panel at the International Broadcast Equipment Exhibition (Inter BEE 2009) to be held at Makuhari Messe, Chiba, Japan, from November 18 to 20.
SOURCE: http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=107289
Simon
11-11-2009, 02:35 AM
So Ted, you heading over here again like last year? I'm sure you'll be able to hook up with Epson since it appears they'll be at InterBEE with the panel :)
I'd better have a chat with them as well about providing some demo footage if they need it ;)
Cheers,
Paul
11-11-2009, 05:30 AM
There are so many wrong assumptions that I don't even know where to start...
1. Why have you always be so dramatic: RED is in no danger at all! Quite the opposite I would say! Why do you keep insisting on that?
2. It has been widely discussed that the DSLR are no competition at all because they do not deliver RAW-data, have less resolution and lots of other problems right now. They are great tools but for different purposes. You say yourself all the time that they are no match for the RED ONE...
3. Just because other companies do not deliver 4k yet doesn't mean a) that it doesn't make sense or b) is obsolete in the future. 4k will be the future; it is just a matter of time until the other companies will speed up their development, maybe skip one or two steps on the way to keep up. Even without 4k projection in every home or theatre, recording 4k makes sense. Oversampling has always made sense so far...
4. Sure RED has competition. It always had and always will have. It does not whatsoever if you are looking for 3k under 10000$ though, as far as I know.
So no, the Epson projector is not a savior. There is noone to be saved!
It is just a statement that the industry is reacting to the new digital cinema standard that seems to be 4k. Which is cool!
11-11-2009, 05:33 AM
That's exactly what will happen. Epson LCD panels are used by a number of manufacturers for projectors, including home-theater models.
Epson also has been pushing the envelope with the contrast performance, with their "DreamPanel" HTPS tech. The perfomance availaable in LCD projection is much better than it was even a few short years ago.
Finally, LCD's as a whole are often seen as less expensive alternatives than LCoS/SXRD and DLP. So hopefully with the new JVC 4K at the high end, these mat get used in a more price competative line of units.
-sc
11-11-2009, 05:40 AM
P.S.: Calling RED a "project" is like calling Vienna "a little Austrian one-horse town"...
11-11-2009, 07:13 AM
Hey Jim,
I thought I read a post a long time ago regarding you guys making a 4k monitor? Also, am I mistaken to think unless there are a lot of 4k projectors, what is the point of Red Ray... Is that why you posted this?
11-11-2009, 11:15 AM
From the Epson press release:
Their words, not mine.With a resolution of nearly 8.85 megapixels, 4K panels offer four times the resolution of full HD (1920 × 1080), making them ideal for the high resolutions required by special applications such as industrial design, architectural design and simulations, as well as for presentations and projecting four full HD images at the same time.
11-11-2009, 11:49 AM
Guys, if you must make things personal, please use the PM button.
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