Newsworthy shot but no REDCINE...

[donatello b]

go to nearest post/production house - go out RED HD-SDI and into whatever deck they have with HD-SDI ....

or ? turn off all on screen info in RED EVF - go out the other HDMI and into canon HV 20 or some other camera with HDMI ?

[Steve Gibby]

ENG (electronic news gathering) is a tiny portion, with limited application, of the overall spectrum of EFP uses for RED One. I emphasized that in my EFP/ENG for RED sticky at the head of this forum. The situation cited at the beginning of this thread is an abnormal side-use of RED One that might arise occasionally - ENG stringing. The vast majority of the other non-hardlined EFP uses for RED One, which are numerically the most common collective genres of production in the motion media industry, don't require the quick turnaround drama mentioned in the thread opening post, thus there will be a selection of solutions for them.

As REDCINE get wider distribution, and NLEs increasingly support REDCODE natively, even the situation mentioned may have some easier and quicker solutions.

Dumping the footage out the HD-SDI ports of the camera into the station/network NLE appears to be the easiest solution.

We'll know a lot more about field/post workflow solutions when the finalized specifications for the RED One syatem are published.

[Ken Willinger]

In the original post I'm assuming the camera would have had a mic attached. However, if I recall correctly (I may be wrong), audio does not flow from the HD-SDI out...only video. Is there audio out on the camera...besides headphone audio?

[Steve Gibby]

"The HD preview output (HD-SDI and HDMI, its the same signal) provides a Surround View + active record area + select graphics + audio."

Stuart English
2/6/07
REDUser
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...?t=444&page=19



"We have “dual link” HD-SDI outputs - always clean feed and can only show the active recording area. These two HD-SDI outputs also include embedded audio and timecode.

Then we independently have a signal that is represented physically as both an HDMI and an HD-SDI (lets call it HD Preview to avoid confusion with the other HD-SDI outputs) signal. While in shot setup or recording it shows the record area + look around area, its understood that its desirable to also have some degree of user selection / control over programmable frame guide overlays, and these also have embedded digital audio plus timecode."

Stuart English
2/3/07
REDUser
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...?t=444&page=15



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The final specs haven't been released yet, but hopefully what Stuart menioned above is in the final specs. If it is then the HD-SDI solution for offloading with embedded audio is available.

[Jason Murphy]

prores is not currently functional as a capture codec, without a card. is there a card which can be used with a macbook pro to capture pro res? (i'm not sure about this but i am thinking not....i think you need a tower to capture pro res...) anyone?

interesting question....

http://www.aja.com/html/products_Io_IoHD.html

Hook it up to a MBP, and you're capturing ProRes onto a laptop in real time. Don't see any reason why this shouldn't work.

[Ken Willinger]

The final specs haven't been released yet, but hopefully what Stuart menioned above is in the final specs. If it is then the HD-SDI solution for offloading with embedded audio is available.

Good to know. Thanks Gibby!

[planet e]

Planet e, do you have FCP 6 running on an intel based mac and now this statement to be a fact? Please edify us all.
See video:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/action/?movie=red

Did you mean that REDCODE in FCP 6 is not yet enabled and that one will need a I/O card to output the HD and above resolutions or record to HDCAM SR decks?

from the apple white paper: FCP6 HD and Broadcast Formats (downloadable as a pdf...)

(pro res) "Can be used to capture using a third-party video interface with SDI or HD-SDI inputs."

and yes, i have FCP6 and there is no native pro res capture enabled without a 3rd-party device...you need to capture as something else (HDV, DVCPRO HD, etc.) and transcode. that's why i was asking about a capture card. the AJA IO-HD would work, i'm pretty sure, but it's not that portable....(at least, not for the scenario described in the opening post, anyway....)

[JohnF]

Thanks Gibby!

Now that it seems we're getting embedded audio it it looks like it's HD-SDI.
Another mystery solved!

Just to point out I largely agree with Gibby's excellent sticky at head of the forum and his above comments but I'd like to make it clear that "being prepared" is my motto as the scenario I posed is not uncommon enough that it hasn't already happened several times in my career. ENG stringing can make one a bit of extra money or even a lot of extra money depending on the scale of the event one captures.

So it's good to know that even in these early days of RED there will be a method of getting the pictures to the networks.

JohnF