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  1. #1 More Information on SAS Tape Connectivity and Cables 
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    EDIT - 06/18/2012 - Thunderbolt solutions are now shipping. See the latest post for details!

    After reading through some of the discussion and questions on the Mac SCSI and SAS thread, I'm going to try and explain SAS connectors a bit more clearly. Please understand that this is a simplification aimed at tape use, but should provide a better understanding of how SAS and tape fit together.

    There are a number of different SAS connectors in use. However, the two most popular for external devices are the SFF-8088 Mini SAS connector and the SFF-8470 Infiniband connector.

    Both of these connectors have the ability to service up to 4 physical devices and carry all four channels available via a port on the HBA to the port on the device.

    The design idea is to provide as few cables as possible between a system and an external chassis - such as a JBOD or RAID disk array. The idea being that the multiple channels within a cable would then be separated within the external device which each channel's signals being sent to the proper device in the chassis.

    While that design is very good for a disk array chassis, a tape drive doesn't require 4 channels for I/O. Even in the original slower 3Gb/channel, an LTO-5 drive does not hit the performance ceiling of a single SAS channel. Therefore, tape drives only make use of one of the four channels in the SAS cable.

    For many, this is seen as a waste of bandwidth since most tape devices using SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 connectivity are only using one of the available 4 channels. To resolve this, some cable companies have produced what are referred to as fan out cables. These cables take a single 8088 connector and split off 2 or 4 SFF-8088 connectors on the opposite end. This means that you can connect 4 tape drives to a single port on your SAS HBA - something that is very useful if you are using a multi-tape library or multiple standalone tape drives.

    For example, the ATTO Technology ExpressSAS H380 HBA offers 2 external SAS ports, each supplying 4, 3Gb/sec SAS channels. By default, you could only connect two tape drives to this HBA because the default single SFF-8088 to single SFF-8088 cable only allows you to connect one tape drive to one port, meaning that 3 channels on each port are simply unused.

    When you look at cable descriptions, you will see comments such as 4x SF8088 to 4x SF8088 connectors. This should not be confused with a four channel fan out cable. The "4x" in this case indicates that all four channels are transmitted through the single connector.

    Hopefully, this makes SAS connectivity a bit more clear. Feel free to post follow-up qeustions and I'll do my best to answer.
    Last edited by Tim Jones; 01-02-2010 at 06:15 PM. Reason: spelling - as usual :-(
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    Thanks Tim. I have been perusing the Bru site and the ATTO site trying to get up to speed on this topic. I have no need to purchase tape backup...yet, but that day is coming. Informative and clarifying posts like this one are always helpful.
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  3. #3 Still more SAS info 
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    For anyone really looking to put answers to questions about SAS, here's a link to the SCSI Trade Association's information on SAS (WARING - very technical stuff, drink lots of coffee).

    SCSI Trade Association Site SAS Tutorials

    Here are some connector images courtesy of CablesonDemand.com and Amphenol ACD:


    8470 to 8470 Infiniband Connectors


    8088 to 8088 Mini Connectors


    A comparison of the two Connectors

    Here's an SFF-8470 to 4 SFF-8088 fanout cable example from Rancho Technology:


    SFF-8470 to 4 SFF-8088 (the smaller connector at the 4 end) SAS Connectors

    Note that for tape drives connecting to ATTO Technology SAS HBAs, you will need the SFF-8088 to 4 SFF-8088 cable instead of this cable.

    Hopefully that adds a bit more clarity to the connectivity issue.
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    Hi Mac users,

    If you're using the newest Apple systems - iMac, Mac Mini, or Mac Book Pro/Air with Thunderbolt, we are now shipping our Thunderbolt-enabled LTO-4 and LTO-5 bundles. These include standalone drives, desktop and rackmount Doubler stations, and 1U and 2U library automation solutions. If you had the chance to visit with us at NAB, we were demoing LTO-5 drives connected to a Mac Book Air with BRU PE.

    We've tested all of the various devices in multiple chaining scenarios and the drives work at full performance.

    Check out our ProductionBackup.com site for details.

    As always, mention REDUser Forums and save 10% on your order!

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    What about the ATTO thunderbolt adapters?
    http://www.attotech.com/products/family.php?id=15
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    Hi Rick,

    We've certified the ATTO Desklink and Deskstream bridges with BRU and all of the tape devices, but they're not quite shipping yet. If you ONLY need the SAS to Thunderbolt solution, they are a great product. However, we feel that Sonnet's Echo Express, Echo Express Pro and xMac mini Server offer the most flexibility in the realm of connectivity. For example, the Echo Express Pro will support the ATTO ExpressSAS and the ATTO 10 GbE HBA, or the ExpressSAS and an AJA capture care. This allows you to greatly expand your TB connectivity options using only one of the chained device positions instead of 2.

    And, you're still getting the ATTO connectivity quality .

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