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    RED Day report by Adam J. Wilt


    RED Leader Jim Jannard at (Ren-Mar) RED Studios on Saturday.


    Stage 4 at (Ren-Mar) RED Studios following the Q&A&S session.

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    "Work proceeds apace on the new M-X (Mysterium-X) sensor. Ted Schilowitz told me that the new sensor
    had higher sensitivity; rating the M-X any slower than ISO 800 resulted in excessive clipping.
    Upon reading this, Jim Jannard wrote me with a correction:


    This sensor is EXACTLY like the original Mysterium sensor but with a much lower noise floor.

    ISO 320 looks spectacular with the new M-X sensor and has exactly the same highlight protection as the original.
    The pixel size is the same for the two sensors… just much less noise.

    DR is defined as signal/noise so it isn’t a big surprise that there is more DR in the new sensor."


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    Jim showed a clip shot the night before at ISO 1250, lit by firelight, and one shot at ISO 2000, lit by a match.
    There was a little bit of noise in the ISO 2000 clip, but it wasn’t objectionable, and the ISO 1250 looked pretty clean.

    In the demo area, two RED ONEs were set up with M-X sensors. It’s hard to say from looking at the LCD and 720p outputs,
    but to my eye the M-X at ISO 800 looked about at least as clean as the original M (Mysterium) sensor at ISO 320.
    When I put the LCD into false-color mode, the shadows at ISO 800 even looked a bit cleaner than M shadows at 320;
    the dark blue and purple false colors showed less flicker and
    noise on the M-X than I’m used to seeing on our RED ONEs with the M at ISO 320.

    There’s a new “color science” that goes along with M-X; it includes a new REDcolor matrix and REDgamma tonal curve,
    with a new FLUT (floating LUT) setting that lets you vary the midgrays at an ISO setting without affecting clipping,
    so that you can really calibrate the camera’s output to agree with your lightmeter for a given ISO setting.
    Graeme Nattress described it to me as a LUT that looks for clipping in any of the channels and applies a rolloff as needed
    (much like the shoulder of a film’s H&D curve, if you will) to prevent the clipping from occurring.
    “It’s not as good as having an experienced colorist hand-grading each shot, but it’s a lot quicker,
    and a lot better than hard-clipping the highlights”, he said. Graeme said he could explain FLUT in more detail to me,
    but then he’d have to kill me; I’m happy to wait until RED can send up an M-X-equipped camera for testing,
    at which point I can really analyze the practical effect of the FLUT. From what I saw in the demo area, it looks quite promising.


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    "Jim Jannard also described the three most important steps for getting good RED footage,
    since he’s tired of hearing how “RED lacks dynamic range” (when it’s badly exposed),
    “RED is soft” (when it’s badly scaled),
    and “RED’s color is hard to grade” (when the grading isn’t done properly).

    The fixes?

    1. Expose it properly.

    When you use the histogram and “traffic light” guides (and the new over/under bars in the upcoming M-X firmware),
    you can get perfectly good exposures. Most of the film shot on RED to date used older builds, like firmware versions 15 and 16,
    which had even more limited latitude and higher noise than current builds, yet they look pretty good. Yes, the current sensor doesn’t have film’s latitude,
    but the M-X is better, and even the current sensor gives fine results when you work within its limits, as I can state from my own experience.

    2. Do a full-res deBayer.

    Especially if doing a non-integral rescaling, like 3K to HD or 3K to 2K, make sure you use the RED tools to do a full-res decode.
    Yes, it takes longer than a half-res decode, but it’s worth it. Half-res can work when generating a half-size output (like 4K to 2K, or “4K HD” to 1080p HD),
    but for anything else, you definitely want a full-res decode.

    3. Use the white balance sliders in the raw decode before using RGB color balancing.

    When you use the white balance controls in the raw decoding tools,
    whether in RED’s own tools, the RED tabs in Apple Color, Assimilate Scratch, or other apps, you’re getting the full range of the raw data running through the color matrix.
    Do your primary correction using these tools, instead of the more traditional RGB lift/gain/gamma sliders, to exploit all that raw information.
    A problem folks run into, RED says, is ignoring the color balance sliders in the belief that the RGB sliders will work just as well.
    They won’t: once you convert the Bayer-mask raw data to 4:4:4 RGB, the matrix has been baked in, and if you want to radically alter the color temp of the scene,
    it’s too late to exploit all that raw data. Kelvin and Tint work on raw data and contribute to the decoding;
    RGB sliders work after the fact and have to deal with whatever the decoding has already done."


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    "There is no point in having sharp images when you've fuzzy ideas."
    Jean-Luc Godard.

    Dynamic range is, after all, the measurement between well saturation (photosite blowout) and noise floor.
    Thom Hogan


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    How'd it do with the judder and bendy vertical business. And if it is exactly the same how is the new noise floor achieved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Wright View Post
    How'd it do with the judder and bendy vertical business. And if it is exactly the same how is the new noise floor achieved?
    You can clearly see how much faster the reset time is on the sensor when panning the camera. MUCH better that Mysterium.
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    "The next questions/suggestions dealt with information and support; many folks said that dealing with REDuser.net was extremely time-consuming and frustrating. Yes, important information is on REDuser, but it’s buried in so much noise and is so scattered and disorganized that it’s almost a full-time job extracting it. A frequently-voiced complaint was that any time Jim or another RED person posts some nugget of info, it’s followed by fifteen pages of me-too “noise” posts, with fanboys chiming in just to say “great!” or “hooray!”. One chap says that the only way he got information from REDUser was to do a search for posts by Jim, Graeme, Deanan, Jarred, Ted, Stuart, etc., and ignoring everything else.

    The whole RED team nodded their heads; they’ve heard this before! There’s already a biweekly-or-so “Crucial Ordnance” email that goes out to RED owners, picking out important threads on REDuser that RED feels are worth a look (I find them helpful in winnowing down the threads that need to be read, but there’s still a lot of chaff in the threads themselves). RED is considering adding a no-comments-allowed section for Jim to post on, which will help; there’s also a redesign of the RED website in the works which will have an “education” section with more meaty info free from chaff and fanboy chatter [note: I’m the one using the derogatory “fanboy chatter” term; the RED folks were much more diplomatic]."

    I guess I'll be posting less.... feel like an ass now.
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    Here's my brief take from Red Day. ( January 16, 2010 )

    -The new M-X ( on upgraded Red 1 ) was remarkably better in regards to Skew.

    -The new M-X is way faster with much lower noise. I would want to test before I throw out m own ASA #s but it's as good as they say it is.

    -FLUT is an auto knee / auto gamma cranker, sophisticated and elegant, but it's not going to be for everybody.

    -18mm RPP looked to be very nice at first glance. Low distortion for this focal length.

    -Bomb EVF was impressive in it's small size, there is a bit less eye magnification in the "Bomb" finder than the old RED EVF.

    -Epic was shown as a non working mock up, in hand held mode sans cables. Felt quite nice on the shoulder. In most shooting configurations It will be fundamentally front heavy, but since total system weight will be much lower it should be OK. The build quality of the accessories (as shown) was very good.

    -New mounts were on display - including an electronic Nikon mount with a positive locking ring which was impressive.

    -There were many new post options on display, I'll let a more post centric person go into them. Redcine X looked cool and useful.

    Red's become deadly serious about making high quality, optics and accessories at reasonable prices. Thanks for listening.


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    any chance we will get to see the low light test video online?
    What should I name my RED One [7095]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Uhry View Post

    -There were many new post options on display, I'll let a more post centric person go into them. Redcine X looked cool and useful.
    Very helpful summary, Matt, thank you - are there any post centric types who would care to elaborate? I'm very interested...
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    Sanjin thank you for the report, wish I was there!
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    I can't believe I missed the 18mm... Was it a working model or was it just in the case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Darge View Post
    I can't believe I missed the 18mm... Was it a working model or was it just in the case?
    One was pointed at the Ducati...

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