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EPIC missed spec...
03-04-2010, 10:14 AM
In an effort to get the bad news out as soon as we have it, it looks like we will likely miss (at least) one proposed spec on EPIC/Scarlet. The engineers tell me that a 2 second startup time is now not possible given all the changes/additions to the program. Our current prototypes are starting up in 15 seconds and we think a reasonable target for production cameras is about 10 seconds.
Jim
03-04-2010, 10:17 AM
10 seconds is fine.
03-05-2010, 11:40 PM
10 seconds is way too much for some of us who use the red one for wildlife shooting without the big crew !! Unless a sleep mode can instantly/fully wake up the camera AND let a red brick live for 4 hours, so you can spare carrying too many batteries, as you have to with the red one...Originally Posted by noahvolek
03-06-2010, 03:21 PM
But, with integrated hot-swap capabilities, you will just need to keep feeding it batteries as you lie in wait. No need to power down at all. Obviously it's a little different from having an SR on standby for days on end without battery problems but electronic vs film is another discussion. Bottom line is, with planning and the paying of attention, there would seem no reason these cameras couldn't work for you. Just don't shut it down!
03-07-2010, 02:00 AM
Shane, I'm afraid it's not at all this trivial for wildlife shooters. The critical issue is that one has to carry all equipments into difficult places and one has to make compromises. Just think what you need to stay 3 to 4 days in row in a hide and you want to be able to react immediately when something happens.
Nevertheless, best image quality imply compromises elsewhere so 10-15 seconds with a sleep mode is much better than existing options and personally I welcome and highly appreciate the improvements. Epic and Scarlet will be the best tools available for wildlife shooting. And it's exciting there are already working prototypes.
03-08-2010, 03:12 AM
... it's obvious wildlife shooting requirements sometimes go bypassed or slightly misunderstood here, and may be look a bit fussy. Taking that kind of typical feature movie camera out of the stage and all the way up there where you'd better be alone is something special to some of us. Some kind of wildlife images/terrain/subjects can stand some people around to help, true... Not all of them. However, it's all a matter of compromise, as you say.
The compromise on the red one was a questionable one at times, especially when... climbing up. Never so when watching the dailies. The present one, 10sec boot-up time + sleep mode should do the job perfectly. Knocking wood. Fact is a sleep mode was an almost promised spec on the red one in the early days. I'd feel comfortable, should the Epic enable/take it as a real must.
Can someone at Red give an insight into whether further specs and features are likely to increase the initial boot-up time ? To me, it seems that the boot-up time of my red one has not significantly gone up with later builds...
03-04-2010, 10:18 AM
No problem for a cine-style shooting environment. Put them out, that's what counts in the end.
E. :-)
03-04-2010, 10:19 AM
Thanks you for the early notice.
10 is still low enough to be able to fly under the radar most of the time.
03-04-2010, 10:20 AM
well thats a bummer. thanks for the heads up
03-04-2010, 10:21 AM
Last time I turned on an EX3 it took that long or longer to turn on...seems reasonable enough to me.
People coming from the stills side may be less enthusiastic given they're likely used to super quick start-up, but then again, I don't know of a dSLR that will come close to the kind of performance I'd expect from Epic.
For what it's worth, you guys are setting an incredibly high bar with these new cameras, so don't let this kind of stuff get you down. Just keep up the incredible work, design and dream with continued passion, and all will come out on top (delivery dates be damned).
The Very Best,
Clint
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