Holding down a single button isn't safe enough. All it takes is resting it in the wrong place or having it in a overstuffed bag and a button could be held down too long.Originally Posted by Jeremy Teman
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09-11-2007, 06:41 PM
Holding down a single button isn't safe enough. All it takes is resting it in the wrong place or having it in a overstuffed bag and a button could be held down too long.
09-11-2007, 06:44 PM
Another suggestion - if the "delete last clip" option is enabled and you go to delete that clip, it automatically starts playing that clip behind the confirmation dialogue box so you can be sure it's the correct clip before confirming, or you can watch it through to the end before deciding to keep it after all - for a useful cutaway you've seen!
09-11-2007, 10:46 PM
If the operator of prosumer cameras can do this why not us?
Nice to see posts that are more down with this now. I remember the prevous thread, was it called "just say no" or "just say erase?" cause I started it before. Folks were much more neg. about it, Youda thought I suggested a self destruct button!!! Hey I can erase any of these files on my computer..... ooooooops!!!
09-12-2007, 04:47 AM
Personally I think it's a mistake to delete any takes before you get to an edit - sometimes you'll even use little looks before or after the action/cut calls as a reaction shot, for instance - stock cost per minute is so low now I just don't think it makes sense.
That said, I don't see any reason not to have the feature available (I'd definitely want to have it default to off and "hidden" in an engineering menu as suggested, however) for those who don't think the same as me...
And I'm in total agreement with the poster above - single long press or double same button press is just not safe enough. How many times have you fumbled around for the run/stop button an a camera you've not used before/for a while? FAR too dangerous!!
Also, I think if you are going to have it, the non-destructive method is a nice idea - although of course this removes the advantage of longer run-time of the CF card, in which case you might as well keep the clips until editorial (or forever, for that matter!).
09-12-2007, 06:03 AM
There are bad takes, and there are bad takes. It's one thing to keep a take that is borderline usable for the above reason, but for example if you work mostly with wildlife as I do, you get a lot of bad takes that are simply rubbish and will never see the light of day. Deleting these immediately in-camera would be very much a benefit.
Not aimed at you Dominic, but I don't understand resistance to having more options. My current cameras do lots of things I don't need and never will, but I don't complain about them being there!
09-12-2007, 08:32 AM
yes, this is really a good option for wildlife shooting, where it's not unusual to have a lot of bad takes before you capture the money shot. also, for many nature and outdoors applications where weight is an issue in getting the camera into remote locations and maximizing available memory space while minimizing weight....
it would be nice to have the deletion option able to be enabled/disabled via menu, to avoid mistakes. good idea...
09-12-2007, 03:48 PM
It's not just about saving space - in non drama shoots, it about having to wade through hours of rushes. Yes, there are little cutaways and looks useful in drama, but in other fields, you shoot so much stuff anyway, you're not short of cutaways, you're more short of time. Sometimes, too much footage just holds you up, especially if you're a hoarder like me! It just needs some discipline and making a decision at the time rather than always deferring it. Nothing wrong with deferring, but not everyone needs or wants to.
Having an option you can disable is better than leaving it out because some of your users don't want it.
09-16-2007, 12:20 PM
This may have been suggested already, it would be great to have the option of recording uncompressed stills onto the compact flash card just like a DSLR can.
09-16-2007, 04:50 PM
And how about a DSLR mode? Shoot 1-8 fps. Have
an ability to sync flash units up?
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09-16-2007, 05:59 PM
Agreed - I think once you've got to the point of specifying a disable-able function (preferably defaulting to disabled as a factory preset, as that's fail-safe) there's really not much to discuss.
I fully appreciate that people have very different requirements - my main staples are music promos (where the editors usually use *all* of the mistakes, much to our chagrin!) and drama, which I think has been adequately covered, so my needs obviously vary drastically from the wildlife/doco crowd, and particularly in the case of wildlife I wouldn't feel even slightly qualified enough to comment.
However, I can never see the point in restricting options, unless they seriously raise the hire or purchase price of a piece of kit, which I very much doubt in this case. It's similar to the 2:1 vs 16:9 discussion happening elsewhere - if you're designing a sensor from the ground up then maybe it's an issue, but if you've already got a 16:9 sensor (as in this case) I just can't see any point in artificially closing doors on options...
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