RED PRO Primes vs. LEICA Summilux-C Primes

[Gustavo Penna]

Well, every one here knows very well that Im heavily Drugged on a daily basis, if I want to continue on walking amongst the leaving, so no surprise here

Well that really explains it all.. I kind of feel you on it... its a tough world. Keep shooting! keep rocking !

Buona Domenica!

[KETCH ROSSi]

Well that really explains it all.. I kind of feel you on it... its a tough world. Keep shooting! keep rocking !

Buona Domenica!

He he, no worries Gustavo, and also much appreciate the PM, I'm always good, and never take anything offensive, hence the Smiling tung..

I know that some times.. okay most of the times, I make no sense on my way of writing things , but I know what I mean, and those that know me well, know it as well, as they know how to enterprete my thoughts or the way I put them in to words.

I write out of my Passions and express my mind, the above post is to express my opinion and liking of both sets of lenses nothing else, and I did so out of seen so many other threads not pointing out what was important to me and few of the reasons why I love the new Leica C lenses, but also why I absolutely also Love the RPP's.



Grazie and Buona Domenica anche a Te Gustavo.

[PaulClements]

But isn't that a bit like saying that no one should produce hand-made furniture because there's a boatload of money to be made by mass-producing it as cheaply as possible in China?

No I don't think so. I know someone who started a handmade furniture store near to where I live. His stuff isn't cheap but it's vastly different to everything else around. They now have 5 or 6 shops across the country because of the unique nature of the furniture. The Leica lenses by contrast aren't really that unique. At the end of the day side by side with MP's or S5's there won't be a vast difference I'm sure.

I'm merely pointing out that they're entering into a market that has in the last couple of years changed very dramatically and they had a chance to enter that market and become a leader by pricing aggressively compared to their competitors. I'm not suggesting they should've priced it in line with the RPP's. More like $10k a lens I'd imagine. I don't see how this would tarnish the Leica name as being cheap because that's still a hefty enough price tag, but one many professionals would've paid in order to own.

Instead they have opted for a pricetag that is very much of the old school of thinking. Mainly that rental companies will be their chief purchaser, and that most professionals wishing to use them on a regular basis will do so by renting them. This is fine. But it's not very progressive thinking. This is what I'm getting at.

Your points about the Panasonic cameras and brand position are of course worthy ones. But I don't believe that having a five lens set for $50k would've harmed either of them.

Paul

[Sanjin Jukic]

Paul,

sorry but you still don't getting it about Leicas.

Btw, lightweight and lens dimensions are both on Leicas side.

Also I'm 100% sure that you'll get less a lens lateral aberrations with Leicas than with MPs.

That makes a huge difference.

And the last is that you'll get Leica Look that made Panavision Primo L series to one of the best sets ever made for cinema.

Leica Summilux-C will do probably the same and also you can buy them but Primo lenses not.

[Zakaree Sandberg]

With the amount of digital manipulation that goes into each and every movie from the highest budget blockbuster to the greenest of indie features the choice of lens to use is vastly overated these days.

My biggest worry with such lenses is what happens in a couple of years time when people are shooting on Epic 645's and a new line of larger lenses comes out to cater for them? Of which you can basically guarantee Red will have some and probably at about $40k. If large format digital cinematography becomes the norm in the future (Which I believe it will given this is truly where digital has an edge over film in terms of cost)l

ill bet my life that says full frame shooting will NOT be the norm...

too many people/rental houses heavily invested in current lensing.. some may cover full frame.. others wont

full frame will be a specialty.. not the norm

[Zakaree Sandberg]

If RED hadn't stepped up... well where would we be now?

shooting through lens adapters and a hpx

[Sanjin Jukic]

shooting through lens adapters and a hpx

That's true.

[Matthias Martin]

I will by pass the FF35 entirely and wait to move to the Epic 645 from my Epic-X S35, so I have to say that while I'm not exited for the FF system, I'm however extremely exited to see what RED pulls out as far as the MF glass, if not I will go with the new Leica "S" glass, if its supported.

http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/2009/11/...ooting-in.html
One of my first questions for Peter related to the future of the S System. Was Leica planning on a larger sensor down the road and would the lenses accommodate such a sensor? The answer was that no, the Leica Pro Format of 30x45mm was the limit, as the lenses only have an image circle of 54mm.

So, no S-glass on the Epic645 - or only windowed acquisition.
Bummer, because the sample images in that article are breathtaking, no hint at CA or unsharpness in the outmost corners of the image.

[KETCH ROSSi]

http://dfarkas.blogspot.com/2009/11/...ooting-in.html
One of my first questions for Peter related to the future of the S System. Was Leica planning on a larger sensor down the road and would the lenses accommodate such a sensor? The answer was that no, the Leica Pro Format of 30x45mm was the limit, as the lenses only have an image circle of 54mm.

So, no S-glass on the Epic645 - or only windowed acquisition.
Bummer, because the sample images in that article are breathtaking, no hint at CA or unsharpness in the outmost corners of the image.

Yeah actually that was a bummer, but I still will/can make good use of them in the scaled window, but I truly hope that by then RED will surprise us again with a stellar Lens Set fro the MF Sensor.

[Frank Martin]

What about the Leica .9 Noxalux . I heard the 50mm was available. Has anyone seen these yet?