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  1. #1 RED Batteries and Airplanes ? 
    Senior Member Greg Voevodsky's Avatar
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    Ok - I read an earlier thread before that I thought basically said that I could carry 2 RED batteries on board my carry on luggage and then 2 in my luggage. Also, the fact that RED was able to fly home from the 1st 50 RED owners seemed fine.

    However, I just got this disturbing e-mail from a German film producer that states otherwise (see below).

    Does Europe have different laws?

    What about after Jan 1, 2008 with the new laws ?

    Does RED have a different power solution?

    What about fuel cells and airplanes?

    HERE IS THE E-MAIL:

    "Hello Greg,

    your information on carrying batteries is not completely right: You can carry 1 battery on the camera and 2 as spare, all of them in the Cockpit. 140 Wh batteries are only allowed in check-In luggage, if they are put in a special case for "dangerous goods". These cases/containers must be registered in front at the airline, must have special signs on it (Class 9 dangerous goods), and, and, and. The airline can accept it, but must not. So in day to day reality, the maximum is 3 pieces

    Having 140 Wh batteries means already that you cannot jump into a plane on a short decision, to shoot something somewhere. On the Top of it (as mentionned in my previous e-mail), there are 90% Chances that these rules will be even more restrictive by January 1st, and then you can completely forget taking any 140Wh battery onto a plane, or even quantities of Li-Ion batteries, which size ever, for which use ever. This is a reaction on unsafe copy products made in China, and on the laptop issues 12 Months ago."


    HIS PREVIOUS E-MAIL STATED:

    "The IATA (International Air Transportation Association) doesn´t allow to transport more than 3 Li-Ion batteries (one on the camera, two as spare, all of them in the cockpit) with more than 8g of Equivalent Lithium Metall. With 8g Equivalent Lithium Metall, you can physically get 98Wh of power under 14,8V, not more.

    Considering that RED Batteries have 140 Wh (as long I know), they must have more than 8g of Equivalent Lithium Metall. In consequence, they are not allowed for transportation by air in quantities (not more than 3 pieces) .

    According to our informations, there is no chance that this rule will be cancelled in future. It even seems that it will become even more restrictive. Considering the issues that have been with Notebook batteries 12 Month ago, I´m quite confident that this rules will be applied quite strictly.

    I know that in the RED Forum, the question of transportation has been asked and has been answered positively: transportation by air isn´t an issue. For me it is hard to believe. The physical law are what they are, and you cannot get 140 Wh with less than 8g Lithium Metall. RED is making some miracle, but not such ones ;-)"
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    Hi Greg,

    Dynamite also comes under Class 9 dangerous goods IIRC.

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    Don't ask me where I got this, but its a quote, not MY personal experience.

    Somebody put his spares into the checked luggage without marking them as dangerouse goods. When asked for his batteries -and he obviously wasn't bold enough to lie- the machine was stopped and emptied until they got his luggage.

    Somehow I believed what I read.
    So however, the clue is, don't mess with Mr. Lithium on a plane.
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    Do these airline restrictions only apply to lithium-ion? How about ni-cads? I have a bunch of Anton-Bauer 14.4v ProPacs that I thought maybe I could use with an AB to V-Mount adapter. Even though they're 5.2 pound bricks, they're only rated at 60 watt-hours rather than 140 watt-hours. Would they be beefy enough to power Red One at all; or would they simply power it for a shorter time?
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    well, the good news is that NiCd batteries contain Nickel and Cadmium but no Lithium at all, so the 8-gram Lithium limit is no barrier to NiCd (or NiMH or alkaline). However I don't know if there are any other specific restrictions on those chemistries.
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    Jim and RED team....

    What is the legal deal now...
    I know the 50 REd users who flew got away with it...
    so did I with illegal explosive - military bug repelent... that I left in my carry on camera bag... but that is still a FEDERAL OFFENSE.

    So what is the legal deal... and what is coming...
    I plan to fly a lot... this is a RED deal killer... if I cant fly...
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    If I remember correctly these batteries are okay. The RED team have flown them around the world quite a bit, never had a problem.
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    This doesn't apply directly to RED, but according to Anton-Bauer, the Dionic 90 is the largest Li-ion battery you can fly with.
    This also tallies up with the 8g max lithium content mentioned above.

    http://www.antonbauer.com/dionic.htm

    I guess you could use NiCads but they're damned heavy compared to Li-ion

    EDIT:
    Just found this in relation to the Dionic 160;

    Quote Originally Posted by Anton Bauer
    I. Carry-On Baggage
    The Dionic 160 may be brought as carry-on baggage with applicable video equipment, but limited to 2 spare batteries per person. (See Note Below)

    This is in accordance with the IATA as specified in Table 2.3.A - Provisions for Dangerous Goods Carried by Passengers or Crew (2.3) from pages 15 & 16 of the 2004 Dangerous Goods Regulations – 45th Edition.

    “Consumer electronic devices containing lithium or lithium ion cells or batteries, such as watches, calculating machines, cameras, cellular phones, lap-top computers, camcorders, etc., when carried by passengers or crew for personal use (See Packing Instruction 912 and Special Provision A45). Spare batteries must be individually protected to prevent short circuits and carried in carry-on baggage only. In addition, each spare battery must not exceed the following quantities:

    a) for lithium metal or lithium alloy batteries, a lithium content of less than 2 g; or
    b) for lithium ion batteries, an aggregate equivalent lithium content of less than 8 g.

    Lithium ion batteries with an aggregate equivalent lithium content of more than 8 g but not more than 25 g may be carried in carry-on baggage if they are individually protected so as to prevent short circuits and are limited to two spare batteries per person.”
    I'm assuming that the Red brick would fall under this category...
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    So it is maximum 25g not 8g as long as these batteries are individualy packed?
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