Not sure I will take delivery...

[Jay A. Kelley]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I am considering taking Jim up on his offer to hold off delivery of the camera until all the needed elements are available.

In my case that would be the Nikon mount, the EVF, RED Drive and REDCine for Windows.

I am not like a lot of you guys, we are a small production company in St. Louis and while we do ok, we're not loaded with cash. The "boyish" side of me wants my toy A.S.A.P. while the "business owner" side does not want to be waisting time with anything less than a fully working camera.

I am starting with the Nikon mount because, to be honest, I am not a film person and I do not feel I have a strong enough grasp of the differences pertaining to 35mm lenses vs the B4s I am used too. It would be stupid of me to go out and spend $5,000+ on glass when I don't really know what I am looking for. Also, many rental clients are going to want glass for their projects I will have to rent anyway. The Nikon mount will allow me to go to a camera store in the area, and start putting on lenses and seeing the difference. I will learn this way without going broke.

I know we're supposed to be in a "sweet time" to rent these things out and get them into the market place before a lot of other people, but truthfully, I need a complete package to feel confident in my delivery to the people that pay me.

Now, lucky for me, I am not due to take delivery for another 7-8 weeks, so it's possible that most if not all of what I need will be available by then. However, since Jim and the boys do not have time to post a release schedule on the items I have listed above, the only intelligent thing I can do is assume they are not coming anytime soon until I am told differently.

I am bummed.. I was and still am very excited about RED, but I simply cannot take time out of my day to work with 1/2 a camera. I have sports clients that want interviews done but there's no way an 8gig CF card will do it. I need RedDrive.

Anyway, that's where I am today. I hope things change, but I won't know until they do.

Jay

[Michael Schrengohst]

That seems like a prudent approach. I am getting a RED
mainly for greenscreen work. As the RED matures perhaps
we will be comfortable in using it for other work.

[Ruairi Robinson]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I am considering taking Jim up on his offer to hold off delivery of the camera until all the needed elements are available.

In my case that would be the Nikon mount, the EVF, RED Drive and REDCine for Windows.

I am not like a lot of you guys, we are a small production company in St. Louis and while we do ok, we're not loaded with cash. The "boyish" side of me wants my toy A.S.A.P. while the "business owner" side does not want to be waisting time with anything less than a fully working camera.

I am starting with the Nikon mount because, to be honest, I am not a film person and I do not feel I have a strong enough grasp of the differences pertaining to 35mm lenses vs the B4s I am used too. It would be stupid of me to go out and spend $5,000+ on glass when I don't really know what I am looking for. Also, many rental clients are going to want glass for their projects I will have to rent anyway. The Nikon mount will allow me to go to a camera store in the area, and start putting on lenses and seeing the difference. I will learn this way without going broke.

I know we're supposed to be in a "sweet time" to rent these things out and get them into the market place before a lot of other people, but truthfully, I need a complete package to feel confident in my delivery to the people that pay me.

Now, lucky for me, I am not due to take delivery for another 7-8 weeks, so it's possible that most if not all of what I need will be available by then. However, since Jim and the boys do not have time to post a release schedule on the items I have listed above, the only intelligent thing I can do is assume they are not coming anytime soon until I am told differently.

I am bummed.. I was and still and very excited about RED, but I simply cannot take time out of my day to work with 1/2 a camera. I have sports clients that want interviews done but there's no way an 8gig CF card will do it. I need RedDrive.

Anyway, that's where I am today. I hope things change, but I won't know until they do.

Jay

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

[Michael Schrengohst]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

I think he means he wants to get his deposit back and then he might order at another time when he feels comfortable. Of course that means stepping to the end of the line. Some people won't be ready.

[number6]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

In my mind, there was always this idea that if anyone gave up their position in line, RED would take over that position and camera as well, for perhaps a leasing arm of the RED company. If that were the case, I shouldn't think you would be required to pay for the camera that RED was gaining the benefit from.

edit: Should clarify that I was thinking in terms of slipping ones delivery date... Red Guy probably put it more succinctly.

Not saying this is correct, but just my vague idea of what was planned.

[Jay A. Kelley]

No guys.. You are both incorrect.. My fault for not making myself clear.
Jim has stated numerous times that if a person with a reservation wanted to wait until the camera was 100% ready, they would hold onto it and you would not be obligated to take possesion until it was actually finished. You would not lose either your camera, or your place in line.

The advantage here, is that you do not have to fork over the $30,000+ for the system (The price in my case) until it's all there and ready to go.

There is no way in hell I am CANCELLING my order.. I just want to wait until it's ready.

Jay

[Ruairi Robinson]

No guys.. You are both incorrect.. My fault for not making myself clear.
Jim has stated numerous times that if a person with a reservation wanted to wait until the camera was 100% ready, they would hold onto it and you would not be obligated to take possesion until it was actually finished. You would not lose either your camera, or your place in line.

The advantage here, is that you do not have to fork over the $30,000+ for the system (The price in my case) until it's all there and ready to go.

There is no way in hell I am CANCELLING my order.. I just want to wait until it's ready.

Jay

As I understand it, he said you can ask for a refund, or wait till it's ready to take DELIVERY, but I didn't see where he said you could delay PAYMENT until it's ready. Guess it's time for someone from Red to chime in before any more disinformation is spread...!

[Seung Han]

I thought the whole concept of this camera was that it was never finished...

[PaulClements]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whether or not you take delivery of the camera, you still have to PAY for it within the month of your number coming up, right?

So it really is no advantage for you to delay delivery... unless they update the HARDWARE in any way during the time you wait...

R.

Hi Ruairi

Has Red actually said so much. I've heard one or two in the first 50 actually held off purchasing it because the features they wanted were not in place. I don't recall whether they had to settle their account or not.

I'd always imagined that if features weren't enabled that had been anticipated when reserving that reservationist would be in a position to hold off completing payment until all things were ready, without having to join the back of the queue.

Paul

[Seung Han]

As I understand it, he said you can ask for a refund, or wait till it's ready to take DELIVERY, but I didn't see where he said you could delay PAYMENT until it's ready. Guess it's time for someone from Red to chime in before any more disinformation is spread...!

I thought the same thing. I think people are assuming too much here based on Red's goodwill. I hope I'm wrong though...