What is the CML mailing list all about?

[Marcus Lundahl]

Hi all!

Is there anyone else out there that is subscribing to the CML mailing list and have been getting hundres of posts the last couple of days about whether you lease or buy a camera? I don't get anything at all.

It seems like a couple of people are spreading some sort of rumor about something that has happened on a set recently and its implications for us buyers. Does it have anything to do with RED? The atmosphere of discussion is rather strange there. Anyone who has some input about it all?

/Marcus

[Pol Turrents]

I've sent a few messages there saying that this guys are turning into absurd theories of conspiracy.
I just stopped reading them...

[Greg M]

My take is they are discussing the fact that Red is actually a computer and governed by EULA agreements...their argument is that in essence you dont own the camera, but are leasing it since the software license can be revoked.

Welcome to 2007 guys!

Most of these guys are old school film guys that are still resisting change...the basis of the discussing has some validity, but you have to consider both sides here and the tremendous investment in r&d, etc, etc...I highly doubt Red or any other software based camera manfacture would revoke an owners license unless there were extreme condition involved.

[Pol Turrents]

And nobody talks about the EULA that you have to sign if you want to make tests with a camera of a BIG and SO MUCH loved company between the film guys...

[Babu Kantamneni]

My take is they are discussing the fact that Red is actually a computer and governed by EULA agreements...their argument is that in essence you dont own the camera, but are leasing it since the software license can be revoked.

Welcome to 2007 guys!

Most of these guys are old school film guys that are still resisting change...the basis of the discussing has some validity, but you have to consider both sides here and the tremendous investment in r&d, etc, etc...I highly doubt Red or any other software based camera manfacture would revoke an owners license unless there were extreme condition involved.

Holy crap

[Tom Lowe]

I can't keep up with those mailing list type things. A forum is easier to view, for me.

[donatello b]

huh ?? i don't know who they are talking about ...

i don't see anything in the RED terms & conditions that has anything to do with the CML thread ...

has the RED warranty always been 6 months ??

[Graeme Nattress]

CML is a place where you can get very good or very bad answers to questions. As to which you'll get and how you determine which is which, is rather tricky.....

Graeme

[Adrian T.]

CML is a place where you can get very good or very bad answers to questions. As to which you'll get and how you determine which is which, is rather tricky.....

Graeme

Quote of the day!

[GlennChan]

The "new pages" posts from the listnums (e.g. David Walpole) tend to help point towards the more useful discussions. You can browse these pages on the CML site... it archives the more useful discussions.

2- Though to echo what Graeme said, there are sometimes some very good answers and sometimes some bad answers.

3- I prefer to get the non-digest and use the delete key a lot. (My mailing list equivalent to skimming forums. I skim all the forums I go through... it's too hard to read everything.)

4- The CML is supposed to be about cinematography.