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    What about the price change? I fear Epic-S might have gone out of my league, while Scarlet S35 was indeed a tangible dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherKenworthy View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, I thought he was asking for feedback. Hang on, he was asking for feedback!

    Jim famously loves listening to customers. So... X and S won't work on the phone. Try it. I did. The result was complete confusion for the listener. We had to resort to the phonetic alphabet.
    That's one reason I think it should be simplified to just EPIC and EPIC-X.

    Don't over complicate it. Keep it simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Frank View Post
    That's one reason I think it should be simplified to just EPIC and EPIC-X.
    Don't over complicate it. Keep it simple.
    I'm with Robert on this, yes. I was ok with EPIC-S until Christopher offered up that great real world feedback, which is one of the reasons to have had this discussion, and which clearly paid off. Other companies pay millions of dollars to do this kind of user and brand/mark research. ;)

    I hope EPIC (EPIC-S or whatever it ends up being) will let go of its Scarlet origins and will come into its own. I understand that may mean a price increase. <ducks for cover>
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherKenworthy View Post
    ..So... X and S won't work on the phone. Try it. I did. The result was complete confusion for the listener. We had to resort to the phonetic alphabet.
    I can see that confusion happening..yes...

    but it is easy to confirm by just saying..
    ok..you want to buy/rent an Epic Standard..
    or..you want to buy/rent the cheaper Epic or the more expensive one..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jannard View Post
    As of now... we are considering:

    EPIC-S (from the old Scarlet name... or STANDARD model)
    EPIC-X
    EPIC-M (for monster machined)

    Does that work for everyone? :-)

    Jim
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    You choose, It's your babies. :)
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    What about the price change? I fear Epic-S might have gone out of my league, while Scarlet S35 was indeed a tangible dream.
    Not sure if this relates to you but...
    Those of you aspiring filmmakers i would strongly suggest to at least consider reorganizing your thinking. Don't limit yourself with price barriers. You have a good nine months up your sleeve. When you are passionate and dedicated you will make it happen. Don't settle for anything short. Some risks in life are worth taking. This is one of them. I believe some of the most innovate work from these cameras will come from you guys. The capabilities of a new paradigm of story telling with this camera is phenomenal. There probably has never been a greater point in the history of cinema bar the invention of the movie camera right here right now. Try for it. What have you got to loose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Sinclair View Post
    Not sure if this relates to you but...
    Those of you aspiring filmmakers i would strongly suggest to at least consider reorganizing your thinking. Don't limit yourself with price barriers. You have a good nine months up your sleeve. When you are passionate and dedicated you will make it happen. Don't settle for anything short. Some risks in life are worth taking. This is one of them. I believe some of the most innovate work from these cameras will come from you guys. The capabilities of a new paradigm of story telling with this camera is phenomenal. There probably has never been a greater point in the history of cinema bar the invention of the movie camera right here right now. Try for it. What have you got to loose?
    Great post! I couldn't agree more.
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    Not sure if this relates to you but...
    Those of you aspiring filmmakers i would strongly suggest to at least consider reorganizing your thinking. Don't limit yourself with price barriers. You have a good nine months up your sleeve. When you are passionate and dedicated you will make it happen. Don't settle for anything short. Some risks in life are worth taking. This is one of them. I believe some of the most innovate work from these cameras will come from you guys. The capabilities of a new paradigm of story telling with this camera is phenomenal. There probably has never been a greater point in the history of cinema bar the invention of the movie camera right here right now. Try for it. What have you got to loose?
    I don't want to piss off above your bubble, no idea how long you are in the business, but here experience speaking. Sometimes a small change can be the difference between to buy or not to buy. As simple as that.
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    JJ, you are making a big mistake by trying to force a round Scarlet into a square Epic hole. I understand from a marketing POV that you want to marry Scarlet to the Epic name since a) you think you can piggy back on advertising/promotion dollars and b) you can charge more for the Scarlet with an Epic handle, but in the end it is very confusing. (No issue from a business perspecive in raising prices) GM doesn't call their models X, M or S. I have no problem with numbers, but many others don't seem to like them. I still vote for a name. If you don't have some designation that truly differentiates the models, you are going to have people calling rental houses to rent an Epic and ending up with a Scarlet version. Are you going to burn a big "S" on the body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherKenworthy View Post
    Try saying Epic-S and Epic-X over the phone. They sound identical.

    I like the names, but this could be a nightmare for rental companies.
    Let's remove letters from the alphabet to make life easier for... the camera rental companies?!

    Personally, I wouldn't want to rent from a company that can't distiguish between when someone wants to hire a camera with an "X" suffix versus an "S" suffix.

    Excuse me while I puke and kill myself .


    P.S. Nothing personal, I'm sure you are a very wonderful and talented person, but the post just really got to me.
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