Thread: Red Ray instead of Blu-Ray?
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12-22-2010, 08:05 AM
BR decks are less that $100 these days.
You simply get one along with your HDTV. Not because RedRay won't be better, but because transition takes some time, and the cost for entry in the mean time so low, why not?
Add a RedRay deck when they becom avaialable.
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12-22-2010, 08:37 AM
I just recently upgraded to a Blu-ray player at home. The image quality is certainly a huge step up from DVD. But I don't think it will achieve the consumer market acceptance that DVD did due to a little four letter acronym: DHCP. It gives the media conglomerates unprecedented control over how and under what conditions they will allow you to view their content, including whether a disc will play at all on your system.
Some examples:
The component analog output of my new Panasonic Blu-ray is DHCP restricted to 480p output. Some restrict analog to 720p, but 1080p is not available at all on any current player via the analog output. For some discs the analog output may be disabled altogether. One has to connect via HDMI to a properly licensed display to get 1080p.
This is not much of an issue for single display home use, but it greatly complicates commercial system integration where multiple displays may be used, like sports bars for instance. Even in digital mode, the number of displays a disc will show on simultaneously may be restricted to one or two.
Over the years I have added a lot to my DVD collection buying remaindered discs from the rental stores. But Blu-rays distributed for rental often have a restricted number of plays authorized, so there is no point in buying them for a collection. You will have to buy the retail sale version.
You can back up your DVD collection to a home video server with little difficulty, something that is legal under fair use. This may not be possible on a disc by disc basis with Blu-ray depending on disc authorizations, except for recapturing the reduced quality version via the analog output.
The media conglomerates are doing their best to gain absolute control over everything you see via normal consumer media distribution outlets.
Aside from issues of image quality, my hope for something like the Red-ray codec is an alternative open market for both content creators and consumers via the creative commons GPL. Otherwise both content creation and audience access will be stifled in the future.
12-22-2010, 09:06 AM
The biggest problem with Blu-Ray has been Sony's ineffectual sales and distribution of the medium - with all of the flavors of HD cameras out there, this should have been a frickin no-brainer, but instead Sony's POS distribution pipeline and sales of end user machines has been one of the WORST contributors to the "good enough" mentality. They should have priced these machines to move into every home in the world, and instead that opportunity was completely missed.
They taught the end user to settle for watching SD DVDs on their HDTV - the vast majority of consumers are still settling. Big fat missed opportunity there. Great opportunity for Apple and Netflix to kick portable media to the curb.
I hope RED has some sort of program in mind for making this a ubiquitious delivery system, rather than a niche product for its camera base of content providers. They need to work both ends of the food chain, producer and consumer/end user. I hope they have something big up their sleeve for this product.
12-23-2010, 08:14 AM
Is that a hint, I'll wait thenOriginally Posted by Stuart English;
12-23-2010, 08:24 AM
I'm very pleased with my Sony vpl-hw 10 HD projector with blu-ray playback.
Nothing can beat it at home(at least at this price range).
Until we'l see an affordable 4Ks3d projection at home, I'm very satisfied with the results I'm experiencing.
Throw a nice 5.1 system with it and you have your own cinema at home.
12-23-2010, 12:32 PM
I wonder if Sony will (or can) let higher res formats to playback on the PS3? Were using that now for BD test (RED clips).
12-23-2010, 12:55 PM
Love my HDTV and HD content (When it comes off satellite). Hate the Blu Ray player I have. Hate Blu Ray disc pricing. Won't collect them- they are too costly. I love watching movies on my iPad. Streaming HD+ content will triumph.
12-23-2010, 05:42 PM
I prefer the quality of a 1080P blu-ray over the HD content delivered by Verizon FIOS.
The thing is, if you want to watch movies in HD now, then just get the darn blu-ray player, if you can wait for RedRay or whatever, then wait.
12-23-2010, 10:43 PM
All other things being equal, the CableLabs spec can't compare at all with Blu-ray.
12-26-2010, 08:54 PM
Buy Blur-ray!
The hints have been around that Red-Ray runs at 10mbps. If that's the case then it is streamable, it will need a dedicated Red Ray box to play it back. The cost of box ownership generally is not as big an investment as the sum of the media you will be playing off of it.
When and if this comes into play I would not expect much physical media to be laying around. So buy into the Blu-ray player and it's physical media now, buy new titles when/if they become available for Redray. Until everyone has a 4k monitor, you will be doing the best with the HDTV you've got.
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