HDRx motion interpolation

[Jannard]

Ruairi... one last thought. If you shoot HDRx you can use the "under" track for motion tracking. Then either combine that track with the "A" track and use a slider to determine just how much of it you want to use. Or... you can then ignore it altogether after you have used it.

Lots of creative options. Sorry if I sounded defensive... long day/week/month/year with not enough sleep.

Best.

Jim

[CJ Roy]

Jim-

Can we get more footage of HDRx in motion? I've only seen the Vegas strip shot of the firetruck. Seeing its limits would certainly help judge where it'll be best used.

Also, will the read/reset speed of the Epic MX sensor be fast enough that rolling shutter isn't a problem during the HDRx?

thanks.

[Álex Montoya]

It's a great tool and I can't wait to put my hands on it.

[Jannard]

Jim-

Can we get more footage of HDRx™ in motion? I've only seen the Vegas strip shot of the firetruck. Seeing its limits would certainly help judge where it'll be best used.

Also, will the read/reset speed of the Epic MX sensor be fast enough that rolling shutter isn't a problem during the HDRx™?

thanks.

Rolling shutter discussion seemed to go away with the RED ONE M-X. EPIC is twice as fast read-reset.

We are buried trying to build cameras and support these features. Will get some more footage out as soon as we can. Michael Cioni just posted something from John Schwartzman test... probably only got permission for stills. We'll work on it when we can. Need sleeeeeep.

Jim

[Ruairi Robinson]

Ruairi... one last thought. If you shoot HDRx™ you can use the "under" track for motion tracking. Then either combine that track with the "A" track and use a slider to determine just how much of it you want to use. Or... you can then ignore it altogether after you have used it.

Lots of creative options. Sorry if I sounded defensive... long day/week/month/year with not enough sleep.

Best.

Jim

No worries, thanks for the info.

I hope you understand when I ask questions like this, I am not attacking you. I want it work comprehensively and be awesome.

Best,
R.

[CJ Roy]

Rolling shutter discussion seemed to go away with the RED ONE M-X. EPIC is twice as fast read-reset.

We are buried trying to build cameras and support these features. Will get some more footage out as soon as we can. Michael Cioni just posted something from John Schwartzman test... probably only got permission for stills. We'll work on it when we can. Need sleeeeeep.

Jim

I know that the MX read/reset was initially supposed to be closer to 5ms versus the R1's 8-9ms. But that caused some problems, and the read/reset had to be pushed back to the 7-9ms range, correct?

I still get the rolling shutter with high frequency vibrations from various vehicle mounts, lightning strikes, camera flashes, sirens, some handheld, etc.

Anyways, glad to hear this is a non-issue for the Epic. Looking forward to getting mine... and hopefully some Epic-M's.

Thanks.

[Gunleik Groven]

R1 MX Read/Reset looks very similar to M currently.

There was talk about a plan re-set it to the shorter reset time, but it hasn't come out yet.

[Casey Green]

Ruairi... with all due respect, you have gotten used to an illusion. 24fps at 180 degree shutter is not how we see. Have someone swing their arm over their head from one side to the other. If this was shot 24fps at 1/48th shutter all you would see is a big motion blur until the arm stopped. But that isn't what your eyes see. They see a combination of motion blur and sharper references to the arm all along the way. We all got used to complete motion blur from a film camera because the compromise was made for average speed of movement at a normal distance. Magic Motion is much closer to what the eyes see. Don't just take my word for it. Many have seen it on the 40' screen here at RED. HDRx™ has other compromises in different areas. As you suggested, Magic Motion has a hard time keeping up with very fast moving shiney objects in a dark environment. MNMB works much better for those circumstances. Can you break HDRx™? Sure. Just like you can pan too quickly with any 24fps camera. We have to deal with judder. We got used to grain to the point where we thought we actually didn't want to give it up. There are a ton of not so great things we get from every camera. Does that make HDRx™ a not so valuable tool? I don't think so. It is a terrific tool with many uses that are better than any we have ever had before at capturing high dynamic range motion. But we have to learn how to use it along with the tools being developed for it. If you want to focus on what it doesn't do, you just might miss what it does do better than any tool you have ever seen.

Jim

Post of the year (+2010).

[Floris Liesker]

The idea of relying on a computer to guess subframe motion for me is a repulsive waste of time. Not a fucking chance.

Usually Ruairi picks his words very carefully when describing his feelings.

[Joe D'Arcy]

Everyone has a bad day sometime.