RED narrative production issues- R&D priorities!

[Stuart English]

Yes, 4K 60fps could be recorded to an external DDR device once you have the RAW PORT installed. For compressed RAW (i.e REDCODE), the current limits - as expressed on Build 9 v1.5.1 - are 4K to 25fps and 2K to 75fps. Things also change pretty quick around here with new firmware builds.

p.s. Its not possible to shoot with RED PRIMES, they are not released yet.

[Graeme Nattress]

Film has 16+ stops.

Let's just disagree on that one small point here. None of the published curves for any film stock that I've seen show remotely near 16 stops, never mind more.

Graeme

[Graeme Nattress]

Good point Stuart. If anyone's on FXPHD, Mike did a very balanced review of the RED Lens there, that rather contradicts the above posters feelings about it.

Graeme

[Fergus Meiklejohn]

this guy has got to be a troll (yawn..:watsup: )

[Andrew M.]

I red two more posts of Morpheus, actually it is one double posted, and looks like Morpheus is obsessed with dynamic range. I like the fact that his post triggers discussion though. Morpheus, all what is posted in this thread was already posted on this forum few times but educating the new members always brings some new ideas.

Morpheus, there is many inconsistencies in your opinion that I attribute to the fact that you are new here and you didn't play with the camera long enough.

1) RED primes - where did you see it? I think primes are not released yet?

2) Dynamic range of the film – first, who is using more then 14 stops stock?
Are we taking scientific material used for special purposes, you are forgetting that before the original negative is shown on the screen in the theaters it is copied 3 or 4 times as oppose to the digital cinema that shows exactly 100% what you shoot.

3) Monitor output versus view finder output, where you have been when we discussed it extensively here.

4) Noisy fan on the camera, again, minimum 5 threads on this forum discussing it, where did you see film camera that is more quiet?

[sander kamp]

Morpheus, apparently the dynamic range is good for people like Steven Soderbergh and Peter Jackson. What where you planning on shooting that it's not enough for you?

And next time you're in Bangkok try a real Thai massage - not a shady one, it's cheap and good for your health!

[dino g]

having slept on this a bit i forgot to also mention one thing....1,000 foot loads are much "BULKIER" than a a small LCD...

not sure which 35mm camera you are talking about unless it's an IMO with a 100 footer, but that IS an MOS camera...

but i think by 18 posts you may actually get the fact that you are a bit outnumbered in your opinions and I agree that you may need a bit more time behind the wheel so to speak to further develop your understanding of RED's capabilities.

thanks for your post, it helped with the digestion of turkey and stopped me from eating more because i was furiously typing.

cheers

[Paolo Tinari]

Actually is Pisa, not Piza, the tower. And it "wobbles" since august 1173...
Maybe you meant pizza, a tower of pizzas, but that would not wobble too, imho, cause of the cheese making a solid grip between the layers.

[planet e]

the best part of morpheus' post is that it got dino to respond with more useable information for the rest of us...

as an independent producer, i'm mystified by the producers who enter this site, waving their egos and declaring their self-importance and vast experience. under the nose of the world's most humble billionaire, who treats his customers, from high-end home moviemaker to feature filmmaker, with equal respect.

no camera is going to be the only camera for every application or for every user. go shoot your film camera with cooke lenses, who cares? feed the swagger...

[I Bloom]

Forget about the RED lenses. Yes they are cheap. They also suck beyond belief. We took one look at both the primes and the zoom and sent it all back.

It seems like no primes exist except the 300mm which I shot with some and was happy with. It compares favorably with a 300mm Canon PL mount I've used for 35mm. At some point I want to do some serious testing, but I was initially impressed.

All oppinions are valid Morpheus, but I think you should be more specific about the problems you encountered, and on which lenses you encountered them in order to be constructive.

i am certain that no one expects the RED lenses to perform like the aforementioned, rather they are for little johnny that is stepping up from his HVX or Z1U.

I think you may be wrong about the RED primes and about the people who are shooting with the HVX. Check the camera specs on some of the films at Sundance last year.

We are all just lucky that the RED lenses aren't priced in Euros.

IBloom