Is RedCine the only way possible to convert Red Raw media?

[Gbabymogul]

What gives you "REDCODE"? (Not REDCODE RAW?)

I assume anything that's not RAW - REDCODE RGB 1080p, REDCODE RGB 720p. BTW - #6 & 7 ? Nice ;)

[Thomas Mathai]

Thomas: why not do the conversion in REDCINE yourself? Just ask for the original camera negatives and process those yourself.

offhollywood: if you can export to REDCODE then that should work. But that is a different REDCODE than REDCODE RAW which is what the camera generates (and is loadable *in to* REDCINE)

Well if I have to use RedCine I will.

It's always easier to use the tools I already have at my disposal.

I'm just looking to address these questions that I know will pop up in the following months.

[J. Bernard Vallon]

Obin, you're missing the point of what REDCINE is. It's not a colour correction application. It's primarily a RAW converter, and it has controls needed and required by a RAW converter. Also, the beginning of the workflow, where REDCINE is used, primarily, is not the place where you normally do advanced colour correction.

(this quote is from dvxuser) Graeme, I was hoping REDCine would work like Apple Aperture's raw capabilities, or a similar photography RAW converter. When the data is straight out of the camera, it is the best time to do color correction with custom curves etc. Will this not be the case?

-John
RED #613
www.myspace.com/ShootRED

[Rob Lohman]

Thomas: that's possible as well if they can load a QuickTime file (have to be careful to get more than 8-bits per channel though) or you can export something like a DPX sequence from REDCINE without doing any processing to the footage at all.


offhollywood: exporting to the QuickTime codec will give you that.

We are still finishing up all the post workflow tidbits, it's quite complex (behind the scenes). We will come out with a clear overview (picture?) once it has all settled.

As it looks now REDCINE will import all files generated by the camera and no doubt recordings made on the RED-RAID in the near future. It will not load your own generated REDCODE files.


PerfectOptics: no, not color correction in the traditional sense of the word. That implies much more and different controls. The application does have color controls but these are meant (together with the other controls) to get the image in the right range before further processing. Just like a one light in film terms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-light

It indeed operates like other RAW converters, but on moving images.

For final color correction & other post effects you want to use tools more adapted to do that, like 3-way color correction, secondary color correction, power windows and so on.

[Brook Willard]

I can only hope that some new 4K 3-way color correction w/ secondaries moves down into an accessible range - within Final Cut Studio would be nice :D

Shake could hold me over but I'm just hoping a more streamlined option appears.

On this mysterious timeline that we'll see at some point... what will happen after pushing an EDL through REDCINE? Once we have our online picture lock coming out of the app for final color work... will that be entirely up to us or will there be some RED [or inherently REDCODE compatible] solution? I keep having to stomp out my inner rumor-monger every time I see Apple make a big move like buying Silicon Color... if only there was some RED-Apple collaboration ;)

[Simon Blackledge]

Will the REDCINE application be available seperatly? Post houses etc that shoot/hire using red?

[Mike Zinner]

Rob,

Will the color controls in REDCINE be kind of the Cineform RAW color tools, basically white balance and color matrix? Or even more sophisticated stuff?

This is what their stuff looks like, as mentioned on David's blog.
DemoCineFormRAW-WIP.wmv

Btw. I know you guys are competing with Cineform in a way but also that David Newman is under a NDA with Red. That makes me hope (and I guess a lot of guys here) that Cineform will still be treated as first class citizen and that a lossless conversion from REDCODE RAW to Cineform RAW will be available in REDCINE.

Not that I want to pay Cineform e.g. $2k for fun... But if I get all the real time effects I now have for 1080p available for 4K - those $2k would definitely be the best investment ever, after the $17,5k for the Red One of course :)

Thanks,
Mike

[Rob Lohman]

Mike: Graeme is the color (control) man, so he might have a more accurate answer, but amongst the features (subject to change!):

- White balance (Kelvin / tint)
- Saturation
- Gain
- Exposure
- Brightness
- Shadow
- Contrast
- Curves
- Output gamma

And the earlier mentioned resizing, cropping & positioning together with some other little things

p.s. keep in mind there is a difference in working real time on a preview proxy from 4K versus working on an actual 4K images. David has indicated as well that just the debayer on a 4K image is already very expensive (time consuming)

[Graeme Nattress]

You missed out curves!

Graeme

[Rob Lohman]

D'oh! Added them in now, thanks Graeme