NEW RED LENSES...

[Harcharan Singh]

Hi Mark,
I am also on the same boat....want to buy good lenses for our EPIC's as they come in...was looking at Ultra Primes
set ..but what I came to know that the delivery time is 9 months.....It may happen that within that period we may have an Dragon sensor upgrade and shooting 8K.....So really a tough decision to make.....What do you think ..Will UP's from 16mm to 135mm cover 8K or the upcoming Dragon sensor???
Thanks
Harcharan

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Guys,

look at my new avatar.

Speaks for it selves.

Don't forget to think about recently RELOADED optical designs from Cooke Speed Panchros and new Canon EF Cinema Prime lenses.

Yes, they were both RELOAED older optical designs from aging Cooke Speed Panchro and Canon FD L/K35/EF L lens designs.

Although mechanical designs from both Cooke and Canon sets are brand new.

Are you suggesting that the new Cooke Panchro/i's are designed from the optical designs of the older Cooke Speed Panchros? They are named after such, not but designed/'reloaded' off the older optical designs, which were from the 1930's-1950's. One must not ignore the role the older speed panchro's played in cookes technological progression over the decades and must admit speed panchro's have influenced Cooke lenses made thereafter. However, correct me if I'm wrong but Cooke went to zooms after the Speed Panchro's, and did not make another prime set for cinema until Les Zellen bought the company in the 1990's and commissioned the S4's to be designed and made. Thus, I'd say the new cooke panchro/i's are named after those historic lenses, but really have the same DNA from the S4 line of lenses; a lens series made by Cooke 40+ years later with a pretty fresh approach. I'm fairly certain the new Cooke Panchro/i's have the same optical designers, housing design, cam focusing system, iris aperture assembly, lens coatings, and glass as the S4/i's. They have less in common with the olderspeed panchro's besides the company heritage, name, and other small aspects.

They are optical RELOADS for a smaller, lighter and one-stop slower S4. Panchro/i's are mini-S4's with a name that tributes another historical Cooke lens set. I really wish Cooke just had named them something else. The optical design between new and old Panchros is not that similar. :P

[Mark Toia]

Hi Mark,
I am also on the same boat....want to buy good lenses for our EPIC's as they come in...was looking at Ultra Primes
set ..but what I came to know that the delivery time is 9 months.....It may happen that within that period we may have an Dragon sensor upgrade and shooting 8K.....So really a tough decision to make.....What do you think ..Will UP's from 16mm to 135mm cover 8K or the upcoming Dragon sensor???
Thanks
Harcharan

Im hoping the Dragon sensor is the just FF35... and if it is we are all going to be really stuffed with current PL glass. We will all be running back to our Canon and Nikon glass if thats the case.
A good option is to leave the chip the same size but give more resolution via pixel count and more f stop range... go from current 17 megapixel to 22megapixel.. and have a 32bit depth chip... Yum!!!!

Also food for thought... the 18mm Ultra prime is soft at 1.9... all of them I use are. Common problem. Have a look next time you use it. f2.2 is sharp. but wide open, I dont rate them. Alot of glass is soft wide open.
Now that RED INDIA is openeing, I dare say you could get more rentals with the RED PRIMES once people are shown the clarity of those lenses...

I'm sticking with f 1,3's though. :))

[Harcharan Singh]

Now that RED INDIA is openeing, I dare say you could get more rentals with the RED PRIMES once people are shown the clarity of those lenses...

Whichever DP we have convinced to use RPP's have been very happy but there are some top of the lot who do not even want to 'see' them.....

Harcharan

[Michael Lindsay]

Also food for thought... the 18mm Ultra prime is soft at 1.9... all of them I use are. Common problem. Have a look next time you use it....

no such thing as a 18mm UP... do you mean the 16mm or the 20mm?? From a sharpness pov they definity benifit from a half stop or so... MP look really sharp wide open but I'm never completely sure if we simply can't see how sharp they are stoped down due to them outresolving the sensor?

You still got your MPs??

[Nick Gardner]

Are you suggesting that the new Cooke Panchro/i's are designed from the optical designs of the older Cooke Speed Panchros? They are named after such, not but designed/'reloaded' off the older optical designs, which were from the 1930's-1950's. One must not ignore the role the older speed panchro's played in cookes technological progression over the decades and must admit speed panchro's have influenced Cooke lenses made thereafter. However, correct me if I'm wrong but Cooke went to zooms after the Speed Panchro's, and did not make another prime set for cinema until Les Zellen bought the company in the 1990's and commissioned the S4's to be designed and made. Thus, I'd say the new cooke panchro/i's are named after those historic lenses, but really have the same DNA from the S4 line of lenses; a lens series made by Cooke 40+ years later with a pretty fresh approach.

An interesting read. All lenses can trace their heritage back to a few basic designs -

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011...neology-part-1

Nick