Prometheus...

[Scott Crawley]

Here is my reasoning for at least suspecting Vickers of android status.

1. Last name - She calls Weyland father but her last name is Vickers rather than Weyland.

Again, Divorce? Maybe the old man out lived her mother and she took her mom's maiden name out of spite. Maybe he never married her mother. Maybe in the near future more women will stop taking their husband's surname.

2. Age difference - According to Alien canon, Peter Weyland was born in 1990 which would make him 103 at that time of the Prometheus mission. Vickers looks to be in her mid 30's (Theron is 36) and that would mean that Weyland was in his late 60's or early 70's when she was born which is technically possible but most men aren't having children at that age.

A man of means who wants to live forever might just have children until his dick falls off. It's plausible.

3. Cryosleep - Vickers is the first to wake and seems to need no assistance after waking, while everyone is is throwing up and drinking fluids. She is also doing push when the others can barely stand. Furthermore, in later movies, the hidden androids also accompanied their human crew members in cryosleep to hide the fact that they were androids.

Yea, good observations. ??? Experience and discipline maybe?

4. Janek reaction - Vickers is cold and strictly professional the entire mission but when the captain jokes about her being a robot, her entire personality takes a 180 and she has implied sex with him. In the Blade Runner universe, some androids were created as "pleasure models" so Vickers could technically be capable of having intercourse with a human. Her actions could have been designed to eliminate any suspicion of the fact that she was an android.

She has contempt for the whole mission. She likely views the entire crew as expendable, lowly employees but she recognizes that she needs to keep the Captain under control and on her side. Why not use sex?

5. The Medi-pod - The Medi-pod in Vickers room indicates that it is calibrated for a male occupant. Most say that this device was for Weyland only but it seems odd that it wouldn't be able to take care of Vickers without workarounds. Unless Vicker's didn't need medical assistance because she was an android.

Yes, it's for the old man. He doesn't give a shit about his daughter. You do have a point though.

6. Strength - Vickers easily throws David against the wall in anger but androids in the Alien universe are quite strong and this would be quite hard to do for a normal person. The android in the first Alien film needed to be restrained by multiple people when it freaked out.

I missed that. Interesting. Maybe he is programmed not to fight with her. Can I get that for my kids? I'll pay anything.

7. David's relationship - David refers to Vickers as "mom" and while this phrase is sometimes used to describe female superiors, it is still odd for David to call her that. Is Vickers an earlier or later generation? Was there something more David's comment about Vickers needing to "Try Harder"? There seems to be some kind of sibling rivalry between the two. This could be seen in the bit where David turns off his camera, preventing Vickers from seeing the Alien control room and she comments about him "cutting her off". David also seems to like to push her buttons and she is not particularly nice to him. Android jealousy?

The old man does treat David like a son. Maybe they were raised as siblings. Maybe Vickers built David? Maybe you have another point.

8. Death - she is crushed to death so we really have no idea how she would have reacted if she was infected or impregnated by the biological threat present on the planet. As far as I know, she was the only one not killed by the Engineer's other than the suicide pilots.

I don't get your point. How does this indicate anything either way. She's probably dead, maybe not. So what?

9. Intelligence - Is is just me or are Vickers and David the only characters capable of making rational choices?

Hmmm dunno

Finally, I don't trust Damon Lindelof and neither should you. Scott tried to dodge questions about Deckard being a replicant as well so really, we will never know unless she is brought back in the Prometheus sequel.

Why should he spoil it for us by telling us what to think? It kills the mystery.

[Matt Ryan]

You can presumably argue Vickers is human and Weylands daughter. His whole deal is about losing his empire. Like Kings of histories past, they continue having children until they have a Son who can take the reigns. With the technology Weyland has at his disposal there's not even a need to use his dick. So with that, I'm sure Vickers is one of possibly many female siblings all being fathered by Weyland (at least in a DNA sense). Vickers gives the line "A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable." A direct indication of Vickers being his next in line (unless women can't take his position with the company)?

I believe Vickers hate for David is because:
a) Weyland has no respect for her or women in general
b) if he could I'm sure Weyland would appoint David as his heir
c) Weyland refers to David as being the closest thing to a son yet never mentions his own flesh and blood Vickers
d) David is the only one worthy of carrying out Weylands orders
e) she considers everyone below her
f) David is a robot with no emotional connection to her father, yet is closer to him than her
h) Vickers is a bitch

[Jay Birch]

7. David's relationship - David refers to Vickers as "mom" and while this phrase is sometimes used to describe female superiors, it is still odd for David to call her that. Is Vickers an earlier or later generation?

He was saying ma'am.... An English abbreviation for the word madam, used to address women of high authority in the state and military.

[Jeremiah McLamb]

I thought the movie was awesome! I will be seeing it again for sure! Epic performed beautifully! I was entranced the entire time. Went to a midnight showing (and I was so tired) but it kept me on edge the entire time.

Don't know why so many hate it...but to each his own I guess. I love the movie because it made me think. It made me look at every thing in the frame...it made me listen carefully to every piece of dialogue...I like a movie that does that. Sometimes I want to see a movie that is easy to watch and is mindless entertainment...other times I want to be forced in to participation (i.e. Prometheus).

Lindelof has his issues...but I'm a huge Lost fan...so I might have already been a little biased.

I think the characters were a little silly at times...but aren't we all? Especially if our minds our clouded with the exploration of something completely new...and also clouded with the fact that this huge alien is trying to kill me?

I watched Alien again the other night...and that crew did some silly things as well...but everyone loves them. It also seemed muuuuuch slower than I remembered it. Still loved it though.

Anyway, I thought Prometheus was great...one of the few who do I think.

[Scott Crawley]

One lesson that I'm taking from Prometheus is this: If you plan to mix Mythology with Sci-fi in a way that goes beyond mere symbolism, do so with great care. Sci-fi audiences expect a level of realism and it is of paramount importance to make it clear that the story, setting and characters are MYTH, and MYTH has more in common with fantasy than Sci-fi.

What lessons are you taking from all of this?

[Trevor Emmerson]

Does anyone know the backstory behind the Lawrence of Arabia clip they used? I am specifically interested in finding out whose idea it might of been to bring that world into the production, if indeed neither Lindelof or Scott were responsible. I think i read somewhere that it wasn't in the script.

Watched Lawrence yesterday and i think there is more than a casual connection between he and android David. Father issues, who do you serve, who are you? etc. Also read somewhere that the title Prometheus was at a studio exec's suggestion. Big David Lean fan i presume. One of Leans early films ,The Sound Barrier, was about a plane called Prometheus and its effort to break the sound barrier. Kind of a holy grail at the time. The film also features as at its heart a wealthy aircraft manufacturer's quest to achieve that goal at the risk of his test pilots lives, and the strain that puts on his relationship with his daughter. Sounds a bit familiar.

Haven't see anyone talk about this connection despite countless other theories seemingly based on far less. Is Prometheus just an overly elaborate David Lean homage?

[Tim Whitcomb]

One lesson that I'm taking from Prometheus is this: If you plan to mix Mythology with Sci-fi in a way that goes beyond mere symbolism, do so with great care. Sci-fi audiences expect a level of realism and it is of paramount importance to make it clear that the story, setting and characters are MYTH, and MYTH has more in common with fantasy than Sci-fi.

What lessons are you taking from all of this?

That no matter how you try to spin this, you aren't convincing me that what I saw was a movie that even remotely touches the ideals you claim to have gleaned (id argue made up) from that mess of a story. LEGEND made more sense and had more mythology intelligently woven into the narrative and most people hated that film. I LOVE it and count it amongst Ridleys best work.

All I know is that when Charlize was on Letterman or Leno (I forget) and said "well, a LOT of the movie ended up on the cutting room floor" - it was clear she felt the movie had not realized
what she had hoped. I can't find the interview but will keep looking. But that was very telling for me.

as was post #207 here. http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...70#post1022670

[Al Lougher]

This has the same questions I asked:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1Yu...ature=youtu.be

[Brian Boyer]

Here is my reasoning for at least suspecting Vickers of android status.

As to the question of whether Vickers is human, she most definitely is for what I believe to be the most obvious reason...she's scared and fears for her life.

It's not just self preservation. You can see the fear on her face and hear it in her voice. Speaking of which, she's talking to herself when she's trying to make the escape pod - sort of a self motivating "C'mon, c'mon" type of thing.

Androids would have no use for such behavior. We know this because of David's behavior. He's the barometer.

[Scott Crawley]

That no matter how you try to spin this, you aren't convincing me that what I saw was a movie that even remotely touches the ideals you claim to have gleaned (id argue made up) from that mess of a story.

I've stated it before and I'll repeat it just for you; I have made no attempt to convince anyone of anything. I don't know why anyone would characterize my participation in these threads as "spinning". I've merely been engaging in some discussion and analysis, thinking it through as we go. I never told anyone their assessments were wrong, and continually qualified my suggestions with "maybe" and such. I never asserted that my ideas were even correct.

Call it made up if you like, it is all interpretation and speculation, and that goes for all of us, unless of course you helped write it yourself. You're all free to disagree, like or dislike. I have no vested interest in directing your opinion.

Thanks Mr. Friendly for your objectivity.