Outrigger handle with 5.0 LCD Touchscreen

[Alonzo Von Threet]

Thanks for your support Jeff, and thanks for friending me on FB Bjorn. Terry, yes REALLY.

RED needs to realize, the Scarlet, though genius, opens things up for a lot of novice and startups (or Dummies). It's a door to a completely new genre of independent users. My first feature film credit just arrived on DVD via fedex at my door today!! It was shot on Red One but not by me. I am not a professional camera man. I am a animator. I got the Scarlet mainly for inhouse green screen and VFX. I got the camera just incase I need to do my own greenscreen. http://www.endtouchmovies.net/ (http://clatl.com/atlanta/sunday-morn...nt?oid=4302866)

The 4K rez is a no brainer, but other than this forum I wouldn't know anything about camera rigs. I see the Scarlet as a hand-held Soliataire film scanner. I have NO CLUE what an over the shoulder camera rig is for until I scoured these pages and YouTube. I saw Ted from RED on youTube saying the Scarlet would be $6K and for anyone who just want Hi-Res photos. Ever since I got the Scarlet professional camera people who want to do their own films are by giving me heck about renting.

Concerning rigs, I personally I don't like to get my hand dirty turning an Alan wrench. There's going to be a lot of keyboard, software VFX Noobs wanting clean 4K plate for Photoshop, AftersEffects or Maya. RED should make our assimilation as smooth as possible. I would gladly pay an extra $2 for the right screws. Apples "Plug and Play" approach is RED should thoroughly consider when it comes to Scarlet clientele. No diss, on the pro camera man. I appreciate the help.

[Alonzo Von Threet]

Forgive the typos. It's mainly sleep deprivations. I'll try to clean things up a bit.

[Mark Toia]

Is anyone using the Outrigger Handle with the 5.0 LCD Touchscreen sat on top of it?

I am eagerly awaiting my EPIC X and some of the accessories have already arrived. I was taking a look at the screws that come with with the LCD (and outrigger handle) and neither set is long enough to reach the screw holes on the body of the EPIC when the LCD is mounted on top of the Outrigger like this ...



Am I doing something wrong here?

$1.75c each fixes that problem... Go to a hard ware shop that sell a range of hex heads.

You get the same problem with the top handle on top of the out rigger.. the same $1.75c per hex bolt fixes that problem too...

And you can do low slung shots easy too with the top handle on... and just both 5inch and top handle off without undoing any bolts...

just a thought

[Nikhil Kamkolkar]

The cost of the bolts is hardly the issue. I think atleast some of us would like to know the specs and best quality bolts to buy for some of the common configurations, certainly if we are using all RED accessories. Last thing I want to do as a rookie to the 'camera rigging out' arena is EXPERIMENT! This is one arena where I don't want to learn from my mistakes. I'd prefer to not make any!

Perhaps some of the experts can put together a small resource for those of us who are newbies to this? Would be so cool to have.

[Bob Gundu]

The Red philosophy is that it's a module camera, which means its customizable for you. This is a very different model than most other camera companies. Thank goodness. I have bucket loads of screws, knobs, rods that I have collected over the years and I end up using them amazingly. Your camera is going to get dinged so don't worry about it. Only worry if it gets scratched while doing nothing. Get over the phobia of experimenting and go for it!

[Mike 'Fireman' Ross]

Interesting ideas.

I'm going to insert a couple of small gripes here.

The LCD looks very smart, with the integrated bracket... but frankly I think the original LCD for RED ONE got it right... just put holes in the screen and allow the mounting bracket or arm of your choice to be attached. The tilt/swivel bracket is nice, but don't force us to use it by making it an integral part of the LCD itself... put the Lemo connector elsewhere and make the bracket removable.

My side handle, REDmote, and REDvolts came with good solid plastic cases, perfect for use in the field. My LCD came in a cardboard box. Which of the above is most likely to end up smashed? Which is most in need of a solid plastic case...?

Stage 3 EPIC came in a lovely case, with removable foam lumps depending on whether or not you have a side handle or REDmote attached. Why no equivalent removable lump of foam in the lid to make room for an attached LCD? Would be nice to use that box to tote a 'ready' camera; pull it out, slap on a lens, shoot... but as supplied there's no room for the LCD and no way to make room.

Details I know, but slightly annoying ones.

Mike

[Alonzo Von Threet]

The cost of the bolts is hardly the issue. I think atleast some of us would like to know the specs and best quality bolts to buy for some of the common configurations, certainly if we are using all RED accessories. Last thing I want to do as a rookie to the 'camera rigging out' arena is EXPERIMENT! This is one arena where I don't want to learn from my mistakes. I'd prefer to not make any!

Perhaps some of the experts can put together a small resource for those of us who are newbies to this? Would be so cool to have.

Well said. This is basis for my passionate comments. RED has to understand that they are no longer dealing with the same "upper echelon" industry professional when it comes to Scarlet. Hand holding, education and customer service is going to be paramount to, if not their success, at least their reputation. As we speech, their are people waiting in freezing cold lines in Japan to get their hands on the lastest Apple product release. The enthusiasm for Scarlet has been no less...but then what?

There should be a new "Base Production Rig" section on the Red purchasing web site and also levels of fully outfitted rigs base on "price". Say I can only afford $1,200 for a over the shoulder rig, there should be a one click solution, not one I have to piece together after "Weeks' of research. What about Matte Boxes or Follow-Focus? People coming from a Canon DSLR doesn't necessarily have the experience in choosing the right items. I was "shocked" when I called RED with 15,000 in my hand and was told to go to the website and order what I want. "Ahem, IDK what I want!!!".
Owning a Scarlet doesn't dicatate we should have a KITBASH toolbox.

With that said, I want to thank all the help I have recieved from RedUser.net. But I don't even know if RED.com has a link on their site for this place. Really, a little can go a long way.

[Mark Pedersen]

Buy a tactical top plate or Brooke's plate. You'll need/want one eventually anyway. The EPIC/Scarlet is really limited in accessory options without one.

Red's tactical is the most flexible since they now have a whole system of components, as well as the QR system that it integrates with. None of the third party top or bottom plates do.

M

[Alonzo Von Threet]

Interesting ideas.


Stage 3 EPIC came in a lovely case, with removable foam lumps depending on whether or not you have a side handle or REDmote attached. Why no equivalent removable lump of foam in the lid to make room for an attached LCD? Would be nice to use that box to tote a 'ready' camera; pull it out, slap on a lens, shoot... but as supplied there's no room for the LCD and no way to make room.

Details I know, but slightly annoying ones.

Mike

I thought the same thing, why no space in the Scarlet tote box for an LCD? Yes, I know maybe a user won't need to buy one because of the modularity of the whole system. But still I don't know if there's a slot in the foam for the Plastic Scarlet official Case (not the shipping box.

[Adrian Lopez]

Alonzo,

It seems we come from very similar backgrounds, illustrating your point perfectly. We're primarily a VFX house, and we got the Scarlet so we can shoot cleaner plates for greenscreen and camera tracking. Like you, everyone wants to rent our Scarlet now, and we're a little hesitant. I'd be very interested in learning about your experience with the Scarlet for VFX if you'd be interested in sharing.


Regards,

Adrian

Thanks for your support Jeff, and thanks for friending me on FB Bjorn. Terry, yes REALLY.

RED needs to realize, the Scarlet, though genius, opens things up for a lot of novice and startups (or Dummies). It's a door to a completely new genre of independent users. My first feature film credit just arrived on DVD via fedex at my door today!! It was shot on Red One but not by me. I am not a professional camera man. I am a animator. I got the Scarlet mainly for inhouse green screen and VFX. I got the camera just incase I need to do my own greenscreen. http://www.endtouchmovies.net/ (http://clatl.com/atlanta/sunday-morn...nt?oid=4302866)

The 4K rez is a no brainer, but other than this forum I wouldn't know anything about camera rigs. I see the Scarlet as a hand-held Soliataire film scanner. I have NO CLUE what an over the shoulder camera rig is for until I scoured these pages and YouTube. I saw Ted from RED on youTube saying the Scarlet would be $6K and for anyone who just want Hi-Res photos. Ever since I got the Scarlet professional camera people who want to do their own films are by giving me heck about renting.

Concerning rigs, I personally I don't like to get my hand dirty turning an Alan wrench. There's going to be a lot of keyboard, software VFX Noobs wanting clean 4K plate for Photoshop, AftersEffects or Maya. RED should make our assimilation as smooth as possible. I would gladly pay an extra $2 for the right screws. Apples "Plug and Play" approach is RED should thoroughly consider when it comes to Scarlet clientele. No diss, on the pro camera man. I appreciate the help.