why would you feel bad for Torrey I wonder ..... he is enjoying the money and in return he has to give only excuses after excuses.
Originally Posted by Mohamed Younis
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03-19-2012, 09:33 PM
why would you feel bad for Torrey I wonder ..... he is enjoying the money and in return he has to give only excuses after excuses.
03-19-2012, 10:39 PM
I think its obvious he is losin his business and not running off in the sun. its an unfortunate situation for all involved. I again have spent over $25K with Torrey with ZERO issues
always thru in extra stuff. so its obvious he was fighting to the last to try and save face but its more obvious he just ran out of capital. and thats not hard to do.
I know my company still struggles with cash flow... I still say Torrey is a good guy who had some bad luck, nit some scammer who ran off with your money... trust me if he had it
Id bet all my gear he would pay you. and Im not convinced one day he won't make good, if he can.
I barely know the guy and I understand your guys anger and frustration for sure... not trying to minimize that... but this guy probably is losing a lot more than you all combined and that
is really sad too. nobody wins in situations like this. So vent away, but remember its a business deal that went bad. there is still a human being under there who Im sad to see struggling
as Im sad to see all this anger on here.
I have to I agree with Mohamed. I feel bad for ALL involved. This all really bums me out :(
03-20-2012, 12:42 AM
I really understand the situation Tim, but the thing that I don't understand is the tons of excuses I get from him.
I'll prefer a sincere, hard to believe but true answer.
And I'm waiting for that answer.
03-20-2012, 04:46 AM
Tim,I hope what you say comes true and your confidence in him makes me a bit relaxed that you are willing to bet all your gear.I have also given Torrey the choice to pay back in parts,we are in business and all of us have issues to deal with.
03-25-2012, 08:47 AM
So... you can add me and my production to the latest list of Silverado Systems victims. Dealing with Torrey Loomis has been nothing short of a slow-motion train wreck. I would love any constructive advice on how to deal with this. I have no problem admitting that we made a HUGE MISTAKE by not researching his business and seeing all the signs of a bad apple -- as reading all the RedUser posts on him or seeing that he had an F-rating with the Better Business Bureau would have been a dead-easy warning sign.
However, what Torrey has done to us feels absolutely CRIMINAL.
Near the end of January, we paid, in-advance 40k for a system that Torrey told us he would rush order, assemble, and deliver by mid-February. It's almost April now, and all we have to show for that money is a used editing desk, a loaner Mac Pro that is not even adequate for 1/8-res playback of our Epic footage, 3 loaner Apple Display monitors, and 2 3TB loaner internal hard drives. Yesterday we received a single, sad PNY Quadro 4000 card, when we had paid for three of them.
It is a sad situation, as we had high hopes for our business deal w/ Silverado Systems and Torrey Loomis.
List of excuses from Torrey:
- moving offices (which we have been hearing since early-Feb)
- we are testing the system
- bad firmware on RED Rocket Card
- kernel panic problems when he assembled and tested our system at his office
- premiere of "Dangerous Waters" taking up most of his time
- the old office was burglarized on March 7 or 8 and all our components were stolen
- items are in shipment
- family issue
We then gave him the ultimatum: provide us with verifiable order numbers for each line of the invoice so that we can confirm with the individual vendors that these things were ordered OR refund us for the respective items.
He stalled and sent us line-by-line details that said "this item is ordered", "this item is shipping", "drives haven't shipped yet, if they haven't arrived by Monday I will send an intern to LA to pick them up", " Still pending the Mac Pro from Apple--po issued, no order number issued yet in the Apple Reseller system.", "Waiting on update from my rep at OWC on these drives."
The saddest thing is that we really want to believe Torrey is a good person. Early in our business dealings, he came out to deliver our editing desk, and we all had lunch together at a local burger joint. Now we are obviously feeling sore about everything, and feel like all his pleasantries were just a way of gaining our confidence so he could slowly walk away with our money.
Anyway, I just wanted to share this experience in case anyone else was looking to do business with Silverado Systems. Bad idea.
03-26-2012, 01:18 PM
That is really incredible!
Sorry to hear that John.
03-26-2012, 01:54 PM
wow. I remember the days when Torrey sent (at his expense) free DVD's of sample R3Ds to anyone who wanted to familiarize him/herself with this new fandangled thing called the RED workflow. Not to mention the whole Opencut competition - didn't Silverado finance that project as well? It's really too bad how this whole thing is crumbling.
03-26-2012, 02:20 PM
He must have made some bad business choices and he must have had loans to pay. Torrey, I dont know you and I never bought anything from you but if you're reading this (and you should be), make it right and just explain how you lost their money and how sorry you are . Maybe people will give you some extra time before everyone starts suing.
Just tell them what really happened and we're all only human and we can all make mistakes.
03-26-2012, 02:56 PM
Mohamed, I think your sentiment says a lot of what I'm feeling at this point. A little professionalism and honesty would have gone a long way, and even now, to hear an explanation would help me be more forward thinking about this, and less PO'd and sad. The money we gave him was a massive percentage of our total budget for our production, and if Torrey has any respect for what goes into making a film, then he should be a at least a little sympathetic and give us some truth for a change.
04-02-2012, 10:43 PM
Anyone know where Silverado has moved too? They are not on Oak Ave. Pkwy Folsom anymore. Why is his website still up and I presume accepting orders?
Torrey conned me for $5,626 RR system deposit (refunded $500). Have not even seen a receipt. It's like Deja Vu reading the excuses. Can we try to work out how much is actually owed to customers? Just based on what has been posted so far my best guess is somewhere around $70-80k?
John T. it feels criminal because it is criminal. This guy needs to be stopped. It's time to pay up Torrey.
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