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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain Philpott View Post
    So true. Scarlet cannot do for stills what Epic crucially can. Having done lots of research - even nearly bought a Scarlet and now having just shot with Epic on a trip in Cape Town, shooting to get the optimal still from motion, only Epic is going to give it to you. 96fps, 180deg+ shutter @5k is what works, no 'if's' and 'but's' about it. I shot Canon 1DS Mk2 right along side Epic and in my opinion the Epic 16Bit Tiff 76mb file was slightly better (PL glass?). I was blown away by it. Even when I crop the 'still' landscape frame down to become a portrait to fit a magazine I'm still left in awe! You can talk about resolution till the cow's come home (English expression!) but all i know is this camera delivers still frames that I'm spellbound by..... I now just need to find the best way to take the 96fps motion down to 24fps - any advice?

    However, to complete the package for me........ RED are you listening! Two things on my wish list to make the camera just perfect - single frame and flash sync.....please, please, please!
    Anyone test their Scarlet shooting stills + motion yet? Preferably with something close to camera that is actually moving i.e. creating motion blur....

    EDIT: Iain if you don mind posting your tests that would be great. Or at least tell us more specs about what you were shooting. A giraffe from a landrover? a model in a studio? thanks ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arturo Sánchez View Post
    Yes i know it but if you want to have useful footage you would have to set the shuter speed number like the frame rate or like the double if you don't want to create strobo effect.
    Example: If you shoot at 30fps and 120 shutter speed you would be able to catch stills from motion without motion blur yes,but the footage would not be usefull(strobo effect)
    This makes no sense either. So the only motion you can capture is 120FPS slomotion? What happens if you need 24p? Speed it up and get stroby motion again. There is no free lunch. If you're shooting for stills, shoot for stills. If you're shootig motion shoot motion
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    Right click on the NAME not on the PRESET. I'm sure you have figured this out by now. But just in case. :)
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    ....there's still gonna be a dedicated stills mode which ACR is going to support, right?

    'Cause, uh...no.
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    I'm jumping in this thread kind of late... Hopefully, not too late though.

    Is there any updates on the Stills mode for Epic? I would really like to start using this mode. I like the idea of shooting motion for stills, but its not ideal for every situation... great for fashion and/or action photography, not so much for landscape, architecture, etc.

    While I'm here, I'll go so far as suggest what I'd REALLY like to see from a stills mode:

    When in stills mode, fully depressing and holding the shutter button for 2 seconds, the camera starts recording a configurable 1-30 second pre-record using motion settings (1/48th, ISO800, etc). At each shutter release, the camera shoots a second (HDRx?) frame using the "stills" settings, (1/250th, ISO640, etc), and triggers a strobe sync. Each press, the camera continues to record an additional another 1-30 seconds (same duration as the pre-record). If another press occurs in that time frame, the clip is extended + the new still is shot, and the internal timer resets to recording another 1-30 seconds trailing the last shot. Pressing and holding the shutter button for 2 seconds, stops the recording. If not pre-recording, a press of the shutter simply shoots the stills frame, fires the strobe, etc, and advances the clip.

    The idea is this: Say you've got a pre-record configure for 2 seconds. The first shutter release will record a 4-second clip (2 seconds before, 2-seconds after). You wait 30 seconds before the next shot (giving the model some direction), so the first clip ends, a second starts and begins pre-recording 2 seconds, this time, you shoot 5 shots in 1 second intervals. You will get a single clip that is 9 seconds long, 2 seconds pre-record, 5 shots at one second intervals, and 2-seconds of post-record. The clips will contain the video shot for motion at 1/48th (or whatever), with "marks" and "b-track images" for the stills. Opening the clips in RedCine-X will show the entire clip on the timeline, and show markers for each of the stills. Ideally, when scrubbing the timeline, when you hit a frame that was shot as a still, it will show you the "stills" frame over the motion one, since if using a strobe, etc the motion frames will likely be over-exposed, or have motion blur artifacts which are probably undesireable. Of course, you should have an option to export either...
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    Can we have a further look at scarlet possibilities for stills at the moment ? (will not use the footage for video)
    - 4K / 30fps / 120 shutter speed OK
    - 4K / 24fps / shutter ???
    - 5K / 12fps..... ???
    - 5K / 6fps / HDRx ???
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    I may be naive, but wouldn't the strobo effect really only matter for motion-purpose video? If your purpose is to extract stills from motion, the high quality frames would still be there, would they not?
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    Very helpful video thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iain Philpott View Post
    So true. Scarlet cannot do for stills what Epic crucially can. Having done lots of research - even nearly bought a Scarlet and now having just shot with Epic on a trip in Cape Town, shooting to get the optimal still from motion, only Epic is going to give it to you. 96fps, 180deg+ shutter @5k is what works, no 'if's' and 'but's' about it. I shot Canon 1DS Mk2 right along side Epic and in my opinion the Epic 16Bit Tiff 76mb file was slightly better (PL glass?). I was blown away by it. Even when I crop the 'still' landscape frame down to become a portrait to fit a magazine I'm still left in awe! You can talk about resolution till the cow's come home (English expression!) but all i know is this camera delivers still frames that I'm spellbound by..... I now just need to find the best way to take the 96fps motion down to 24fps - any advice?

    However, to complete the package for me........ RED are you listening! Two things on my wish list to make the camera just perfect - single frame and flash sync.....please, please, please!
    Problem. Surely, the objective, or one of the objectives, of nailing a great, sharp still photograph is to get the Red Code down real low. On these settings, the best you'll be able to get is 12-1?
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    If you are shooting specifically for stills, the ridiculous looking strobo effect that would normally haunt your video will not matter, as long as you are only extracting stills from it. Keep in mind if you're letting a client view that footage live, they're going to be drastically confused by the Saving Private Ryan look.
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