When will we get a new Scarlet?

[Wayne Morellini]

For me the current Scarlet is a major let down. I am a very sickly person, and the thought of having to deal with large s35mm cine lens in the sort of wet area I am in is not good. Plus to kit out a Scarlet-x with Red lens and accessories is easily going to be 3 times plus the cost of the fixed kit. The fixed would have been a very convenient camera to use over the x, and instead of a prosumer camera.

However, something gives me pause to think of a more compact scarlet:
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Image Samples:
www.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ktf_turbo/28250459.html
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You notice the unnatural defocus, duller in the middle, and the chromatic abberations and problems around the edges. But how much can such compact lens systems in s35, ff35mm and ff65mm formats be refined, with auto features also added. A number of image problems can also be removed by software in post. This means it would be possible to do a compact weather sealed s35 unit instead of a fixed to suit different stye of shooting requirements. You could also revisit 4/3rds or s16 scarlets. The issue is, does any of this compact fast lens technology able to transfer over to a compact equivalent 35-350mm lens? I would say to Red, think about it.

What do you think?

[Joseph Coleman]

Then use canon glass, hence the canon mount....Red has said over and over they are a cinema grade company, I don't see how lens's should be the thing stopping you from getting this camera. This is the only camera that can easily use just about any lens you can think of. Dont get me wrong an s16 sensor would have been cool. But I think reds decision is pretty logical. All I can say is hunker down, save up some money and buy a scarlet, get some nice contax zeiss glass and the thought s16 will disappear like a fart in the wind :)

[Wayne Morellini]

Joseph, you miss the point, s35 cine lens get huge, this thing is microscopic for it's speed. Cine people don't know about the real world (it is only recent Red has reverted back to the small cine market from the more hands on Eng and video services market). This strategy allows them potentially to make a bigger format scarlet combining the advantages of the smaller fixed size and mountable. The Scarlet x gets to be irrelevant down this end, unless you crop down to smaller kens formats. Now as for my self, a camcorder size is much more manageable, without bar bell weight lens, humidity/mold and some of the wettest wet weather. My health is what cant afford to handle a current x setup for what I want to do. This is also a barely 4/3rds (s16 quality coverage a guess) lens, not suitable for full Res X. If a zoom lens could be made short enough, and problems auto processed out in post, then a simple weather case can be made for the lot and pumped full of dry gas to keep it pristine. I am reflecting on a number of known issues with the scarlet that led to the 2/3rds fixed for smaller lens, that did not come up to expectations eventually.

[Scott Crawley]

Ummm... The current Scarlet is so new that the initial orders haven't all shipped yet. It has been four months. When do you suggest they come out with a new one?

A new model every six months... Wasn't that one of the criticisms of Canon? Incremental upgrades?

[Paramon Ivanovich]

I think that Scarlet X is an Epic's by-product, and i would pay twice the scarlet x price for the properly working Scarlet fixed model

[Mike P.]

I was under the impression that RED was focusing on Epic-X and Scarlet-X and that no new bodies would be introduced for a long while (only new sensors, which fit in those "containers"). Rather than diversifying, they're consolidating. S35+ is digital cinema; anything less is ENG (which is not their focus.) If lens size is dictated by sensor size, I don't think they'll get any smaller. More over, if image quality is also dictated by lens size, they won't get smaller either.

... And to be fair, you can use s16mm/small glass in cropped modes like 2k (in some cases 3k), so the lowest common denominator has been covered by the s35 SX. The only reason someone would want a fixed lens or smaller sensor scarlet is because they assume it would be cheaper (and technically it should be, but the R&D and production costs might not be, in which case you're asking RED to dump money into something that might not be profitable)...

...Either that or I'm missing the point of your post entirely...

[Uli Plank]

I don't think it'll come, RED made this very clear. There is no pace left for it in the current market with cameras like Sony's FS100 or hacked GH2s being around.

[Kiel Milligan]

Cine people don't know about the real world

what the hell are you talking about?

[Peter Lyons Collister, ASC]

Wayne,

I am very confused by your issues. Red tried to make a fixed lens Scarley and they were not happy with the quality. If you do not like Canon glass then there are the old Zeiss t/2.1 primes that are small and very good quality. Or quite frankly some very good HD cameras out there.

[Robert L. Mickles]

I am extremely confused by this. You are saying that you would pay more for something most would consider inferior in many ways?