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    I am wondering if there is a mic like this:
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...act_Video.html
    that works with the scarlet audio jack? I've got the x A-Box and it's amazing but it would be nice to just plug a tiny mic into the camera directly.
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    What would prevent you from using the very same mic that you posted? Isn`t it the same plug?

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    assuming the Senn configuration on their mini jack is correct, you should be fine, since the mic is self-powered...
    Just hang onto your receipt, since I doubt there is any way to know _if_ it will work till you get it...
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    you'll need one of those nifty shoe-mounts like the one x sells for $25.

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    There is a good chance that this mic will work. I can find no reference for how the TRS contacts are wired, but there is also nothing that suggests that this is a stereo mic. So I expect that it is a mono shotgun with either balanced or unbalanced output. Either of those should work with Epic/Scarlet.

    Why in the world don't mic manufacturers put such basic information in their spec sheets?
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    The MKE400 is a great mic (for size/price)... but won't work in your Scarlet without a plug adapter. I thought it would... but found out first hand two hours ago that it does not. The plug adapters are dirt cheap though. You'll need a 3.5mm F-TRS to 3.5mm M-TS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan Couper View Post
    The MKE400 is a great mic (for size/price)... but won't work in your Scarlet without a plug adapter. I thought it would... but found out first hand two hours ago that it does not. The plug adapters are dirt cheap though. You'll need a 3.5mm F-TRS to 3.5mm M-TS
    So it doesn't work in either balanced or unbalanced settings?

    It sounds like it should work as an unbalanced source. But of course, that's without knowing how it's wired...
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    Quote Originally Posted by D Fuller View Post
    There is a good chance that this mic will work. I can find no reference for how the TRS contacts are wired, but there is also nothing that suggests that this is a stereo mic. So I expect that it is a mono shotgun with either balanced or unbalanced output. Either of those should work with Epic/Scarlet.

    Why in the world don't mic manufacturers put such basic information in their spec sheets?
    Sennheiser website says it's got a 3.5mm Stereo Jack. I assume that means it won't work.
    http://www.sennheiserusa.com/profess...rophone_502047

    My setup is a Rode NTG-2 (battery powered), Rycote Push on Windscreen/Fur, Rode SM3 Shockmount, Windtech CM-80 Cold Shoe Adaptor and RED audio cable. I also got a welding rod holder to keep it all in, which is light, waterproof, cheap and RED ;-)
    Everything goes in the holder as a assembled unit, so I can hike it in somewhere and have it on the camera in seconds. 6 oz with case and 2 spare batteries.
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    Tried to hook up Sennheiser HF mics on my Epic today but no luck... Dunno what's wrong with the sound on this cam, why is it so complicated???

    I need a run-n-gun setup as well, thought of the Rode that's pretty similar to the Sennheiser MKE 400 Ryan is talking about, but I read on the forum there's a modification to make...

    Seemed so much easier on the R1...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis-M Soucy View Post
    Tried to hook up Sennheiser HF mics on my Epic today but no luck... Dunno what's wrong with the sound on this cam, why is it so complicated?
    The Sennheiser mikes need Phantom Power:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_power

    Hire a good sound mixer and this will not be an issue.
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    Haha, sound mixer doesn't really say "run and gun" to me. ;) Of course neither does 4k RED either but its time for that to change.

    I built a decent setup tonight using some stuff from x:
    "Easy Plate XL" to add some mounting area (mounted it sideways)
    "1/4 20 Cold Shoe"
    "A-Box" this comes with a 19mm rod that can be bolted on so you can mount it anywhere there is a 1/4 20 screw socket

    Then just battery powered my regular Sennheiser shotgun. its pretty sturdy but it would be nice to loose a few parts and cables and just mount a small mic like I posted before for soundbites.

    I'm still a bit perplexed on what the difference is and why red used the method they did? I'm sure there is a good reason for it But it would be great if there was a tiny mic that just worked. It would be perfect for helping sync sound on other shoots too where a slate becomes a problem.

    Are there any adaptors that could make my tiny Shure shotgun work?

    I'm headed out to SXSW with a label and I'll be making a little hype reel. Audio isn't very important other than a few candid soundbites to add some color to the edit. So I don't need great audio, just decent, and as simple as possible. Of course I'll probably do some interviews, but for those I've got the A-box adaptor so I can boom & lav.

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