Wow that thread got whacked...

[Bob Gundu]

too bad the thread got deleted. There was many useful tips for people wanting to adopt a healthier life style.

[Andy White]

Do you think Jim will complain that is thread was deleted?

LOL!

[Bill Anderson]

A classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQcljaFWP-c

[Michael McLaughlin]

Yeah there was some useful info.

In fact I planned to take the printed version of the first thread to my dad's hospital bedside to show him and try once again
to motivate him into a better lifestyle.

I figure if a "billionaire mega-genius business man" can be humble enough to admit he might be overdoing it on something that
might be hurting his health, than this is can help in convincing my dad to change his ways a bit.

BUT....

Literally as I was about to print out the first page of the thread... boom it dissapeared.

I mean I get it totally, it's just a shame because I was going to use it like I think Jim intended...
to inform my dad on why driniking a gallon every other day of this stuff is not good.

I will show my dad this thread..unless it gets deleted also.

[Michael McLaughlin]

And I kid you not, my dad would polish of a 2 litre by the end of the day almost everday, so like I said a gallon every other day.

And he doesn't drink alcohol, or smoke. He does eat, a lot of lunch meats, and canned soups (quick and easy) and then washes it
all down with "Diet..."

It's insane and he has a whole litany of problems beyond the onset/Type 2 diabetes.

I mean a lot of things and symptoms are like what Jim had said.

It's like his body hit a tipping point and boom, no going back to healthy.

He could though significantly improve his life though.

[Jerrod Cordell]

Hey Michael check your PMs

[Elsie N]

And he doesn't drink alcohol, or smoke. He does eat, a lot of lunch meats, a canned soups (quick and easy) and then washes it
all down with "Diet..."

...

It's like his body hit a tipping point and boom, no going back to healthy like Jim though.

He could significantly improve his life though.

The nitrites in the lunch meat may be as bad as the diet soda. A long term study I recently read concluded that people who eat chicken lived the longest, people who eat fish came in second I think, just in front of or behind those who get their protein from vegetables like beans, people who eat red meat (beef, pork) came in fourth while people who ate cured meats like bologna, bacon, lunch meats etc. came in with the shortest life expectancy. This was a very large study as I recall, numbering into many thousands of individuals being followed. And the differences in longevity were substantial.

But I think there is a possibility of going back to health. If nothing else, improve a little as you say and soon science will find new ways to improve one's health. But I maintain that you can improve your lot by making changes. I needed reading glasses in my 40s. After making lifestyle and dietary changes I was able to do away with the glasses. My eyes still focus far and near well enough if I have sufficient light.

[Michael McLaughlin]

Jerrod

Thanks very much. I copied and printed it out with some of the other comments.


Oh and thanks to JIM for the original thread start... gotta love RedUser.

[Michael McLaughlin]

Elsie,

Yah the amount of nitrites and other preservatives in some of that stuff is awful.

Your body can really get screwed up when it accepts in something it "thinks" is a substance only
to have it be a mimic-ally close but off by one or two molecules. Over long periods of time this stuff
can accumulate. The body doesn't know what to do with certain parts of the chain cause it was never
a natural created product in the first place, it was created in labotories for speed, efficeincy and cost.
Only sometimes is the impact of health really taken into account.

Regardless I believe now a lot of science will come out in the next ten years on some these manufactured
food additive products being not exactly the healthiest for us and having un-intended consequences from
multi decades long consumption and bio-accumulation.

And that's the problem that maybe Jim, and I know my dad have hit. You can be somewhat fine for 30 years eating
and drinking this crap, and then all the sudden shit hits the fan, and you have negative cascading health effects.

[Bill Anderson]

Agreed, Elsie. I'm in the chicken and grains category: I just turned sixty and am fighting fit. I walk, hike, bike regularly. I can still party like a demon though.

On another note, I have quite a few hair raising stories about family and friends who suffered for years before finding out that the main culprit was the prescribed medication they were on. One buddy took his dad, ailing for years, to a doc for a "second opinion": most of his dad's medication was stopped and he went from a trembling mess that could barely stand up, to a pretty steady old guy that now walks down to the local to have a pint. And don't get me started about the valium that was prescribed to my mother when I was a kid. That was some party. And no, there was no correlation between having me as a kid and being prescribed valium. Hmm, I don't think there was ( :