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    Canon doesn't have a history of shooting themselves in the foot. In my opinion, if the c300 indicates anything, it's that Canon is going to be locked into this 4k-sensor-at-1080p-recording for the next couple of years. The Cinema EOS "4k" DSLR will most likely be the same -- "just" a c300 in a DSLR body, but without the audio/video features of the c300 -- and priced accordingly (somewhere between the highest-end DSLR and a c300.) Lame, I know, but I'm not expecting some miracle 4k recording (much less RAW) or some $3k DSLR-price point.

    A c300-lite (fixed lens?) seems possible if you look at Canon's past, but who knows what they'll charge for it (probably more than you'd expect if the c300 is any indication).

    As for Sony; I would love to see a 4k recording, non-RAW, s35 camera for $5000-7500 ready to shoot. That'd dominate the c300/Alexa and take a huge bite out of would-be Scarlet's customers as well. Unfortunately it'd also kill off the F3 pretty quick, so again, it's probably not likely... At least not at that price-point, and when you start getting into $10k+ area, you're probably better off getting a Scarlet (for digital cinema specifically).

    With RED, as much as I'd like to see Dragon hit a clean base ISO of 12800, 1000fps/6k, and/or 15 stops of native DR (or something equally crazy), sometimes I think it'd serve them (and us) better if they focused even more on making Scarlet/Epic a little more bulletproof in the field. I'm not even talking about additional features (like the proposed pseudo-HDRx 4k on the SX), but basic functionality like phantom power or making black-shading less of an issue as it seems to be (I don't recall it being as much of a necessity with the R1mx.) It's hard to handle that stuff when you're attention is also focused on hammering out another completely new/revolutionary piece of tech (in this case Dragon), which promises to cure what ails ya.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Marshall View Post
    I'd presume he means what he said - www.eoshd.com
    Yep, I did mean eoshd. I have less problems with cinema5d, they actually own and use a scarlet as well as 5d's. It's good to compare and see if you can get away with slipping in a 5d mkiii shot in a sequence.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Andriessen View Post
    Yep, I did mean eoshd. I have less problems with cinema5d, they actually own and use a scarlet as well as 5d's. It's good to compare and see if you can get away with slipping in a 5d mkiii shot in a sequence.
    Oops, my oversight. Having recently seen a fresh, new and silly Canon/Scarlet comparison on cinema5d I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike P. View Post
    Canon doesn't have a history of shooting themselves in the foot. In my opinion, if the c300 indicates anything, it's that Canon is going to be locked into this 4k-sensor-at-1080p-recording for the next couple of years. The Cinema EOS "4k" DSLR will most likely be the same -- "just" a c300 in a DSLR body, but without the audio/video features of the c300 -- and priced accordingly (somewhere between the highest-end DSLR and a c300.) Lame, I know, but I'm not expecting some miracle 4k recording (much less RAW) or some $3k DSLR-price point.

    A c300-lite (fixed lens?) seems possible if you look at Canon's past, but who knows what they'll charge for it (probably more than you'd expect if the c300 is any indication).

    As for Sony; I would love to see a 4k recording, non-RAW, s35 camera for $5000-7500 ready to shoot. That'd dominate the c300/Alexa and take a huge bite out of would-be Scarlet's customers as well. Unfortunately it'd also kill off the F3 pretty quick, so again, it's probably not likely... At least not at that price-point, and when you start getting into $10k+ area, you're probably better off getting a Scarlet (for digital cinema specifically).

    With RED, as much as I'd like to see Dragon hit a clean base ISO of 12800, 1000fps/6k, and/or 15 stops of native DR (or something equally crazy), sometimes I think it'd serve them (and us) better if they focused even more on making Scarlet/Epic a little more bulletproof in the field. I'm not even talking about additional features (like the proposed pseudo-HDRx 4k on the SX), but basic functionality like phantom power or making black-shading less of an issue as it seems to be (I don't recall it being as much of a necessity with the R1mx.) It's hard to handle that stuff when you're attention is also focused on hammering out another completely new/revolutionary piece of tech (in this case Dragon), which promises to cure what ails ya.
    I don't think anyone is very likely to put a fixed zoom on a 35mm format anything. Too many compromises one would have to make, range vs speed vs size vs price and quality to be practical.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Rasberry View Post
    I don't think anyone is very likely to put a fixed zoom on a 35mm format anything. Too many compromises one would have to make, range vs speed vs size vs price and quality to be practical.
    Not to mention the obvious lens sales.
     

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    Sharper then 1080:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Wilganowski View Post
    Basically I expect these lower end "4k" cameras to finally produce a decent 1080p. Kinda like the 1080 cams should have done all along. But no way are these gonna compare to 12-16-bit raw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Rasberry View Post
    I don't think anyone is very likely to put a fixed zoom on a 35mm format anything. Too many compromises one would have to make, range vs speed vs size vs price and quality to be practical.
    That's a good point; I was just trying to think of the differences between their professional and prosumer broadcaster/videography lines (e.g. XL-H1 vs XH-A1, which were essentially the same; HDSDI and interchangeable lenses was the only difference.) I just can't think of anything else to differentiate; it's not like they're going to make the codec any worse, and there isn't much the c300 has that makes it so expensive... Conversely, I wouldn't be surprised if they may make a "c600" or something that actually records 4k and then charge double.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Dittert View Post
    Thanks for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunleik Groven View Post
    LOL. Scarlet @2k vs 5D MIII is a real funny idea for a comparison...
    But gunleik...... Its the only way you can frame a comparison that might actually make the RED seem equal to a 3500 photo camera......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunleik Groven View Post
    LOL. Scarlet @2k vs 5D MIII is a real funny idea for a comparison...


    "There! Let's see if you can out shoot the 5D now you Scarlet!"
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