Red Dragon

[Paul Nordin]

I have very little interest in FF35 for cinema. None of the best cinema lenses will be usable (gods forbid that I'll have to upgrade my cinema lenses as frequently as my camera systems/sensors!). And for the VAST majority of narative work I do, t4 gives me a really nice, not-in-your-face focus falloff.

What would get me really excited about a new sensor is Dynamic Range! And right after that, sensor sensitivity. ISO of 3200 clean would really open up the world of night. Then fram-rates ( I love 300fps). And a long way after those gold-star improvements woudl come more resolution. I cant see more than 6K aquisition being beneficial for a max 4k world. I'm perfectly happy with 5K. But more DR! More ISO!! Now that would be worth a lot.

Also, I don't expect Red to announce any thing concrete about Dragon at NAB. That will be for 2013.
my two-cents

[Brian Merlen]

yea that's what really scares me, imagine what a 28k sensor will look like through any of our current glass? we'll need all new glass i think once the sensors are even bigger, i am guessing?

[Ryan De Franco]

Not necessarily. A lens made for 16mm film must resolve more detail than a similar lens made for 35 because the recorded image is much smaller while the end projection size is the same. More detail crammed into more space. Same is true for photography: a medium format lens doesn't need to be as "sharp" as a 35mm photographic lens in order to get even greater apparent sharpness out of the prints, because the medium is larger.

I may not be expressing this very well. Hopefully the sensor upgrade is a sensible increase in range (highlights, shadows, usable ISO) and color reproduction, less a crazy PLEASE SHOOT STILLS WITH OUR CAMERA monstrosity.

[Timur Civan]

In reality, anyone know what the sharpest lenses can even resolve @ S35 size sensor? 6k? 8K? I feel like 4k is out resolving my still glass. My PL primes are plenty sharp and probably have couple more K's before the sensor over powers them....

For example, what do MP's, Leica Summilux C's, i5's etc really resolve in the s35 frame?

[Lee Saxon]

I have very little interest in FF35 for cinema. None of the best cinema lenses will be usable

Red knows that and for that reason I doubt they'd ever give us a 5K FF35 sensor (aka 'same number of larger pixels')

"Larger number of same-size pixels" FF35 is probably much more likely. I'm not sure what that'd work out to (~6K?), but the point is that such a sensor would have a "windowed" 5K mode the same size as the current sensor.

I'd guess that windowed 5K would be the cinema mode and FF35 mode would be primarily for stills, just like max resolution mode on the current Scarlet.

Another thought : if they tried to do a FF35 ~6K cinema mode, sensor and lenses wouldn't be the only thing you'd be replacing. The brain might need behind-the-sensor upgrades to have the horsepower for those framerates.

All that said, I bet they'll stick with S35 for the Dragon upgrade and save FF35 for a separate brain (whether it be an addition to the line-up or an Epic successor).

[Brett Clements]

Im happy already... :))

But if it was to come out...

FULL CHIP size please... 6k .. 7K...
25million Pixels.
16+ stops without using HDR.
200FPS 5k
600FPS 2k

And I will take my hand of it now .... :)

yeah

[Alexandre Arch]

If not in an hurry is it wise to buy a scarlet now? Will it be at same price?

To me if the Dragon is just as sensible to light like those new sensors from Sony and Canon, it 's a good enough reason to upgade or wait.

[Vadim Bobkovsky]

Really love the idea of oversampling 4K, starting from sensor with more megapixels.