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    Hi Brian !
    I think the recorder will be expensive but I don't see them going crazy, all reports point to Sony wanting to compete in the 4K market.
    I may be wrong here but I see a complete package being 8-12K.
    Reports are saying they may offer the camera with a basic lens (18-200mm) for 10K

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    It's clear that 2012 is the year of 4K change. So many players jumping into the nexgen game now. No doubt RED will announce something HUGE at NAB!!

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    Yea I am just basically waiting to hear what the recorder costs... I am seriously considering getting one, but not until I know the total costs involved with a 4k workflow with it.

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    Hi Brian !
    I think the recorder will be expensive but I don't see them going crazy, all reports point to Sony wanting to compete in the 4K market.
    I may be wrong here but I see a complete package being 8-12K.
    Reports are saying they may offer the camera with a basic lens (18-200mm) for 10K

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57...camera-prices/
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    I hope the dragon is twice the size of his van.... :)

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    This thread reminds where we are and what we are capable of today. When I think of how fast the industry has changed since I began working in 2008, it really blows my mind. The breakneck speed really has really left a lot of people bewildered and unable to adapt, which is easy to forget on the forums. As a producer in LA, I'm watching established production companies cut staff dramatically and fail to adapt.

    In my opinion, RED has continually delivered on the impossible while simultaneously making it affordable. When I look at what I have spent thus far, and what I have been able to create, I'm a happy camper. With that in mind, I hope anything unveiled at NAB retains the vision of improvements while lowering costs. In regards to a Dragon sensor, I absolutely agree with so much many of you have said, and I will throw my hat in the low light capability ring in particular.

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    Interesting. Well the thing is, as you pointed out, with Red you can make skin tones look natural... as long as it is shot the right way and processed the right way too. How did Ian treat his footage out of interest?


    I would agree with you that the skin tones out of the camera are not really right much of the time (it is the green that sometimes surprises me), but to be honest with you I can not recall a situation I have shot in where i have not been able to adjust them to rather quite natural in redcine. Ungraded film also always looked like mud to me.. It is what I could do to it afterwards which I always loved. Have these DPs you spoke to been judging in on the raw image out of camera, or on something other?


    I think it is the sensor to a degree. Red seems more finicky with ND and IR, for example, which affects the colours cast on the image. I think all the colors are usually there, but it is just a matter of doing getting it right in camera to not mess up the green/magenta side of things and from there on a nice one light does wonders. Though I do agree that a good RedFilmicSkinTonesColor5 for most productions would be great in camera to not have to do as much work later on (and to not have to explain to the producer what raw is...), but I will do with what I have for the time being which is not bad :)


    Having better skintones right out of the camera would be nice, but I would end up messing with the footage afterwards in any cause... cause I can... heh


    Ivan
    I'm also very curious here regarding method. I agree with both of you, and Ivan in particular regarding being able to achieve a natural skin tone in RedCine. Spending less time doing so would be nice, as it requires an eye and patience, and in the hands of the lazy turns out mediocre.

    So much of my time is consumed teaching and overseeing to ensure quality for a project. Before I hire or work with someone it has become paramount that I see what an individual is actually capable of vs. what they say, which is easier said than done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Björn Benckert View Post
    I hope the dragon is twice the size of his van.... :)

    http://vimeo.com/39578584
    . . . now that guy is compensating for something small with that camera
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    Full frame will be huge for me, in fact industry game changing. As my DeepX and 3Deep underwater housings use Nikonos lenses to resolve full sensor corner-to-corner without plane curvature caused by underwater dome ports, the traditional approach of competitive solutions will only suffer further degradations. With traditional dome port: the larger the sensor the more resolution loss due to image plane curvature. But, using submersible full frame Nikonos lenses: the larger the sensor the sharper it gets.

    Bring it on! I'm so excited about the fact that for the first time in history we can achieve undistorted and sharp underwater images (by an order of a magnitude) and with FF35 sensor, the result gets better and better.
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    Has anyone from Red ever hinted that Dragon will be full frame? Just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Pugh View Post
    Has anyone from Red ever hinted that Dragon will be full frame? Just wondering.
    Not that I remember. It may be just wishfull thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Pugh View Post
    Has anyone from Red ever hinted that Dragon will be full frame? Just wondering.
    No. But they have stated that it's the first of the "Monstro" chips. The smallest of which was originally to be a 6k FF sensor. So it might be a case like the REDOne where they install a FF sensor but only enable a crop of it for existing cameras and then down the road release a new body designed around the full capabilities.

    Long ago the promise of Monstro was 2+ Stops of extra dynamic range. But that was supposed to be a couple years ago so lord knows what they've been up to in the interim. Hopefully not just achieving what they hoped to accomplish 2 years ago... but skipping ahead yet another generation.

    I think the safe bets are: +2.5 stops of dynamic range, 1600 ISO, Framerate bump at least for Scarlet in 4k (and effectively a framerate bump in 5k since HDRx will be less important with 16 stops). Size is a crap shoot. I would love a Full Frame sensor though... it's what I really wanted to buy but gave up waiting for.
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