I hope the dragon is twice the size of his van.... :)
This thread reminds where we are and what we are capable of today. When I think of how fast the industry has changed since I began working in 2008, it really blows my mind. The breakneck speed really has really left a lot of people bewildered and unable to adapt, which is easy to forget on the forums. As a producer in LA, I'm watching established production companies cut staff dramatically and fail to adapt.
In my opinion, RED has continually delivered on the impossible while simultaneously making it affordable. When I look at what I have spent thus far, and what I have been able to create, I'm a happy camper. With that in mind, I hope anything unveiled at NAB retains the vision of improvements while lowering costs. In regards to a Dragon sensor, I absolutely agree with so much many of you have said, and I will throw my hat in the low light capability ring in particular.
So much of my time is consumed teaching and overseeing to ensure quality for a project. Before I hire or work with someone it has become paramount that I see what an individual is actually capable of vs. what they say, which is easier said than done.
Full frame will be huge for me, in fact industry game changing. As my DeepX and 3Deep underwater housings use Nikonos lenses to resolve full sensor corner-to-corner without plane curvature caused by underwater dome ports, the traditional approach of competitive solutions will only suffer further degradations. With traditional dome port: the larger the sensor the more resolution loss due to image plane curvature. But, using submersible full frame Nikonos lenses: the larger the sensor the sharper it gets.
Bring it on! I'm so excited about the fact that for the first time in history we can achieve undistorted and sharp underwater images (by an order of a magnitude) and with FF35 sensor, the result gets better and better.
Has anyone from Red ever hinted that Dragon will be full frame? Just wondering.
Long ago the promise of Monstro was 2+ Stops of extra dynamic range. But that was supposed to be a couple years ago so lord knows what they've been up to in the interim. Hopefully not just achieving what they hoped to accomplish 2 years ago... but skipping ahead yet another generation.
I think the safe bets are: +2.5 stops of dynamic range, 1600 ISO, Framerate bump at least for Scarlet in 4k (and effectively a framerate bump in 5k since HDRx will be less important with 16 stops). Size is a crap shoot. I would love a Full Frame sensor though... it's what I really wanted to buy but gave up waiting for.
Who doesn't love a "RED DRAGON!"
It's the year of the Golden Dragon, 2012, I doubt RED would let an opportunity like this slip by and release the dragon sensor in the year of the snake. Dragon > Snake
ok putting on my conspiracy hat....
I think its going to be a combination of hardware upgrades. a Sensor and a Board (for the scarlet).
For Epic, it will be most likely a 8k APS-H sized chip ( even bigger than the current one that half/full frame one) but with better S/N, skintones, etc.... that we know...
BUT! i think the big change is gona be for scarlet.... i think its gonna be like a $5k upgrade for epic, but a $8k upgrade for Scarlet..... because, they will change out the boards, but we will probably get 8k @ 6FPS, but i BET the scarlets will get 5k @24p, 48P in 4k, 60P in 3k, and 120 in 2k.
So it sort of makes four distinct classes of camera, entry level scarlets, mid level Dragon Scarlets , Standard epics, and BEAST 8k Epics.
It makes sense. Some people dont need 5k @ 24p, but i do for example. For feature work its better. It gives the customer more options. They can pimp their scarlet up, but still save money over an epic, so you get normal frame rates in higher res but no real high speed. The regular epic is amazing for high speed, but it you need ultra resolution, its there in the Dragon epic....
I mean, its not unthinkable to have 15+stop D/R, 8k sensor in a S35/APSH sized chip, the F65 is doing it just fine.
Man i cant wait to get to that party!
I'm almost tired speculation and just want to be surprised........almost tired!
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