Dragon Upgrade Predictions for Scarlet-X

[Poj Pitakjamnong]

So RED just announced the Dragon Upgrade for Epic!
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthr...p?77169-Dragon

What are your predictions/wishlist on the upgrade for the Scarlet-X?
The Price?
The Specs?

This is exciting!

[Josef Gatti]

Predictions:

6k 12fps
5k 30 fps
4k 50fps

Wishes:

6k 25 fps
5k 50 fps
4k 120 fps

Price, hopefully < 10k. Any more and I'll probably just save for an Epic.

Oh Scarlet forum and wild speculation, let it begin.

[Jerrod Cordell]

Half the price of the Epic Upgrade.

So $3,000.

6K: 12 fps
5K: 25 fps
4k: 60 fps
2K: 120 fps

And of course HDRx is half the frame of all the above.

[Trevor Meeks]

Half the price of the Epic Upgrade.

So $3,000.

6K: 12 fps
5K: 25 fps
4k: 60 fps
2K: 120 fps

And of course HDRx is half the frame of all the above.

My FPS predictions are in line with yours, aside from the fact that I hope we'll see 30fps 5K, but it's already been said that the SCARLET upgrade will be more than the EPIC, due to the fact that they need to replace more internal boards. So I'm guessing $7,000-$8,000 for the Scarlet upgrade.

[Jerrod Cordell]

My FPS predictions are in line with yours, aside from the fact that I hope we'll see 30fps 5K, but it's already been said that the SCARLET upgrade will be more than the EPIC, due to the fact that they need to replace more internal boards. So I'm guessing $7,000-$8,000 for the Scarlet upgrade.

Ooooh yeah. I completely forgot about that part. Well fuck...

Well then in that case whenever Scarlet will be upgraded it will be around the same price of the original Red One. I think it was what, $17,000 for the body starting off? So I'm going with your guesstimate. Sounds about right.

If ScarletUser threw a hissy fit when RED released a $10,000 camera, just wait until they double it.

[Alexander Thomson]

Half the price of the Epic Upgrade. So $3,000.

Highly unlikely. Jim explained that while the Scarlet upgrade is possible, it's more complicated than the Epic upgrade. With the Epic, they have to replace a few boards, make some small adjustments, put the new sensor in and call it a day. With the Scarlet, it's a bit more difficult since the ASICs, most of the basic components will have to be completely taken apart and replaced in order to support the 6k resolution. Factor in the labor to do that extra disassembling and the price will almost certainly be more than the Epic upgrade. Otherwise, why would anyone buy an Epic?

I'd say the Dragon upgrade for Scarlet will cost more than the Epic, yet will at least provide 25FPS 6K. This will leave some breathing room between the Scarlet and the Epic.

Price: 30% more than Epic upgrade, around $8K or $9K = total cost of Scarlet $18K compared to $40K Epic.

We can always hope for...

6K: 25
5K: 50
4K: 120
2K: 300!?!?

...I would pay 9K for HALF of those numbers. I'm just factoring in the RED "exceeding expectations" factor into my guesses. Since we're all speculating, after all.

[Mike Garrick]

@ Jerrod I luv your optimism . But I bet it will be a lot more than that, I reckon Josef is right.

[Niko Pueringer]

Scarlet will never be able to shoot 24fps at max EPIC resolutions. RED will maintain that gap between the camera for both technological and business reasons. You can, however, expect 4.5k (or maybe even 5, but unlikely) at 24fps.

Jannard laid it out pretty well; Take current resolutions and framerates (ex; 3k at 48fps), and because of the increased pixel density, you get moderately higher resolutions at same frame rate (ex; 3.5k at 48). These jumps may be a bit bigger, but I would hope for something like 2k at 96fps.

[Jaakko Rinne]

Jannard laid it out pretty well; Take current resolutions and framerates (ex; 3k at 48fps), and because of the increased pixel density, you get moderately higher resolutions at same frame rate (ex; 3.5k at 48). These jumps may be a bit bigger, but I would hope for something like 2k at 96fps.

I don't see how higher pixel density would make higher resolutions/framerates possible. The camera needs to push through more data, so it needs more horsepower as well. The question really is, how much more horsepower will there be coming.

[AndrewThomas]

Scarlet will never be able to shoot 24fps at max EPIC resolutions. RED will maintain that gap between the camera for both technological and business reasons.

I don't think business considerations have anything to do with it it, at least not in the sense you are suggesting. It is mainly a factor of Red trying to maximize the yields on the ASICs. By going with much more conservative specs on the Scarlet, they are able to maximize the yield. If the Dragon design is less prone to failure overall, the baseline goes up for Scarlet and maybe we get 24fps 6k. I think that Red is probably most interested in getting Scarlet to motion capable 5k so that all of their cameras can shoot for proper 4k finish.