Leica M Mount

[Steven Dean]

Will be but a quick way to verify is if your M lens has a deep protruding rear element, it's probably going to be a problem. It mostly happens on the wides though.. and as incredibly fantastic as the wide M lenses are, they don't work as well as they should on digital sensors.

Is there going to be any way in the future to use the wides?

[Uli Plank]

No, they will stay sub-par. This has to do with the different reflection and angle tolerance of digital sensors and film emulsion.

For wide I'd get something modern…

[Josh Beadle]

That's what a UP 8R is for

[KETCH ROSSi]

Josh I hope you did preorder the Leica mount for your Noctilux .95... ;)

[Mark Pedersen]

No, they will stay sub-par. This has to do with the different reflection and angle tolerance of digital sensors and film emulsion.

For wide I'd get something modern…

Uli, is this in response to my question to Jarred re: Leica R glass?

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[Josh Beadle]

Josh I hope you did preorder the Leica mount for your Noctilux .95... ;)

. . . a couple hours before you . . . still would bet on you getting it first by a long shot my friend. No worries from me - no one supports the Brand better than you

[KETCH ROSSi]

. . . a couple hours before you . . . still would bet on you getting it first by a long shot my friend. No worries from me - no one supports the Brand better than you

He he, thanks Josh, I do the best I can to share with the community, but I hope they'll go out in larger numbers so that we all get it at the same time.

Even so I still am pretty sure no one will capture the kind of footage I got lined up for it, in my Movie scenes in 3D... ;)

[Les Hillis]

I think the problems the wider M mount lenses have with digital sensors are being overstated.

Recording in RED's RAW format and being able to convert the R3D files into RAW still-image sequences allows the images to be corrected to a very high degree.

Here's a basic test done with the Voigtlander 12 & 21mm M mount lenses - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYVqu...ature=youtu.be

In these examples, 'Corner Fix' was used to adjust luminance and chromacity values, in order to reduce the off-colour vignetting, then Contrast and Gain was adjusted in After Effects and/or Premiere Pro to adjust the overall look. The simple 'fixes' applied to these shots might not be perfect or complete, but with the full range of RAW image correction tools people have available to them I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible to get better looking results.

IMO image quality concerns alone shouldn't be used as a justification for not modifying the camera's to accommodate the use of the wider M mount lenses.

Here's a list of M mount lenses that can't currently be used (unmodified) on Epic/Scarlets, but which would be made available for use with a redesigned OLPF port -

Zeiss
Super Wide Angle 15mm f/2.8 Distagon T* ZM
Super Wide Angle 18mm f/4 Distagon T* ZM (Black & Silver)
Super Wide Angle 21mm f/4.5 C Biogon T* ZM (Black & Silver)
Super Wide Angle 21mm f/2.8 Biogon T* ZM (Black & Silver)
Wide Angle 25mm f/2.8 Biogon T* ZM
Wide Angle 28mm f/2.8 Biogon T* ZM (Black & Silver)
Wide Angle 35mm f/2.8 C Biogon T* ZM (Black & Silver)
Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM (Black & Silver)

Leica
21mm f/1.4 Summilux-M
24mm f/1.4 Summilux-M
35mm f/1.4 Summilux-M
28mm f/2.0 Summicron-M
35mm f/2.0 Summicron-M (Black & Chrome)
28mm f/2.8 Elmarit-M
18mm f/3.8 Super-Elmar-M
21mm f/3.4 Super-Elmar-M ASPH
24mm f/3.8 Elmar M
16-18-21mm f/4 Tri-Elmar-M

Voigtlander
UltraWide Heliar 12mm f/5.6
SuperWide Heliar 15mm f/4.5
Color-Skopar 21mm f/4.0
Color-Skopar 25mm f/4.0
Ultron 28mm f/2.0
Color-Skopar Pan 35mm f/2.5

[Josh Beadle]

Thank you for the efforts and post!! Let's take a Sawzall to that sensor port and ship us some Leica mounts!

[Les Hillis]

No worries, attached a picture (thanks Pawel) to show where to start cutting.

Seriously though, I could be wrong, but it looks like what the OLPF port screws into (the sensor mount seen in the other picture) needs to be widened too, not just the OLPF port itself.

Not sure if that degree of modification can be justified, or that RED's making and selling an M mount necessarily obligates them to modify their camera's to make the full range of M mount lenses fit.

Maybe there are other reasons (beyond fitting wider M mount lenses) why it would be beneficial. Certainly can't see RED offering to replace that/those part/s before the Dragon sensor upgrades though (when the camera's have to be pulled to bits anyway).