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    Tom, the RAW recording off the sensor of the sensor data has 16 bits of precision according to what red has said. Whether that equates to the same amount of color depth and variation as say a 16 bit negative scan in RGB is probably questionable, because after debayering you are arriving at 16 bit values which have been derived via other calculations, including compression and decompression, rather than 16 bit values which have been measured directly as they would be from a scan.

    From a RAW point of view what is true according to RED is that REDCODE RAW from Epic and Scarlet offers 4 more bits of precision than REDCODE RAW from a Red ONE. Gunliek is the only person I have seen talking about this in particular with his regular assertion that Epic and Scarlet have a much thicker neg than Red One MX.

    How that stacks up to other cameras bit depth on a technical level is difficult to tell, because there aren't other compressed RAW cameras out there to do comparisons against, although at 3:1 compression on Epic you are going to be close to mathematically lossless, so comparing that to a camera that did say 16 bit Camera RAW stills with a bayer sensor would give you a good indication of the bit depth advantage of Epic. AFAIK there are no other 16 bit motion cameras out there.

    I'd wager you have to dig pretty deep to visually see the difference between say 16bit linear and 10bit log from a visual point of view, especially given the bit depth limitations of current display devices, and you'd be digging into a purely maths arena to do comparisons of say 16bit linear RGB outputs from two cameras, unless you were doing developmental work on a compositing app where that levl of precision may help more complicated transforms hold up (the idea when compositing being numbers with larger precision plugged in to big complicated equations means more accurate results out the other end).

    Bit depth at recording in RAW is a measure of precision. How good the color science in the RED SDK is at using that precision to derive RGB images of whatever bit depth is ultimately all that matters when you are comparing to most other comparable codecs and camera recording bit depths I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Keir View Post
    I didn't realize that either. Are there post solutions to cc in 16bit color?

    and I thought 10-12 bit was incredible. Any CCs able to chime in here?
    Most CC software uses 32 bit float for calculations, as can most compositing apps. However grading software is often setup for 10bitLog inputs, so a given workflow may not take advantage of RED's 16 bit depth the whole way through the pipeline. By this point the color science takes on far more importance than bit depth anyway, because it is the derived values after debayer that are your starting pont for grading, not the recorded RAW values.
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    If we're including all cameras including 1080p and up, shouldn't the Blackmagic camera be on here?
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    anyone has a similar summary on 4k displays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kilgroe View Post
    Yes, EPIC/Scarlet are 16bit.
    Someone needs to update da Wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dig...mpany#Sensor_2
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    If we're including all cameras including 1080p and up, shouldn't the Blackmagic camera be on here?
    And the Ikonoscop A-cam DII?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Alexandrov View Post
    anyone has a similar summary on 4k displays?
    - Crappy Blacks
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    and then there was Canon's 4k display. :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Alexandrov View Post
    anyone has a similar summary on 4k displays?
    Canon and Eizo both have 4K displays at NAB but only Eizo has an actual product. I'm not sure if Sony has theirs since it's not new and there are some under-the-radar/unheard of Asian companies that also have their own 4K displays on demo, including stereoscopic ones from what I've gathered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Mullen ASC View Post
    And the Ikonoscop A-cam DII?
    That camera is so cool ... reminds me of the old 16mm setups ... only digital ;) http://www.ikonoskop.com/dii/
    Not that this is a student only model, since I could see a great film made on this, but it would be a perfect camera to learn the art on (just like 16mm was the stepping stone to learning 35mm).
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    More than one of us I am afraid, thanks for the Wiki.

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