48fps The Hobbit - First Review

[Scott Crawley]

Maybe, or the audience could swoon and make half of CinemaCon reconsider.

OK I was being a wise ass, but do you really think an audience of cinemaphiles makes for a good representative sample of the public at large? I predict that if only half of cinemaphiles take issue with it then an even smaller percentage of average joes will dislike it, making The Hobbit 3D @48 FPS a hit.

It will be very interesting to see how it goes.

I predict a bit of a kerfuffle ensues when The Hobbit gets released. If people at an event called CinemaCon are so conspicuously divided, I cannot imagine what the public reaction will be before, during and after December.

Square peg, round hole? Sure, you can jam it in there, the landscapes look awesome, the strobing is gone, but the texture of the motion might be a step backwards.

[conrad gaunt]

there's a lot excited people on this thread. When I get my Epic back from the engineers on Monday, I'm gunna shoot some 48fps @ 1/384 shutter, for that saving private ryan look.. see how I feel about it

This is about high resolution meeting higher framerates which requires faster shutter speeds also.. a lot for an audience.. then throw some ungraded shots at some people who aren't geeks and.. once the fx are in place, there will be a lot of data ready to be thrown away (if he's using HDRx, thats 96fps right there) during the grade .. im not worried.. then again I love documentary

[Josh Snyder]

The Hobbit is going to make shit load of money no matter if they shot it with ipad. Movies shot with 48fps after The Hobbit will show what people think about this. Just like with the 3D. Theaters around the world are now rising the 2D ticket prices and lowering the 3D ticket prices.

[Tom Lowe]

Where is Harry Potter and Transformers 3 on this list?

[AndrewThomas]

Where is Harry Potter and Transformers 3 on this list?

Given that it only tracks from Avatar through the middle of 2010 (when that chart was originally made), it doesn't include HP7.2 or TF3 which both came out in 2011. But the trend is indeed that 3D is accounting for a smaller share of the ticket sales than when Avatar released, and that is with a rapid increase in the number of share of screenings that are in 3D as more theaters continue to convert screen to 3D.

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Gavin,

at the end is all about what you are used to see.

Maybe. But people are used to seeing reality. That's why people never "get used" to the uncanny valley in animation, you're constantly bombarded with reality. If 48p is a problem due to it not being perfectly real then we will have a problem. Also ultimately film is a communication method. If none of your viewers are 'getting' your film due to obstacles you place on them then you're failing to express yourself to your full potential. Know your audience. I don't want to make a film at 48p, stereo or even in color for my own gratification. I have something I want to say to the viewer. I have something I want to express and if the framerate is harming my ability to do that then I'm not going to wait 10 years for them to get used to it, I want to speak to them now.

[Scott M]

Could 48p be a case of the "Uncanny Valley" but applied to locations and actors?

This.

If nothing else 24fps makes up for so much "fakery" being taken as seriously as possible by displaying that reality through an alternate view of time itself. 48fps+ gives that "hyper-real" look that only breaks down that 4th Wall revealing impossible lighting and locations as though you were watching a play from the front row, a different experience that I do not enjoy as far as 2D cinema is concerned.

[jaadgy akanni]

You know,, memories, recollections, thoughts, and dreams are if not in 24fps, even slower...that's why theiy're so magical...Anything faster than 24fps can be imposed, shoved down people's throat, if you will, if enough stubborn cinematographers join such a conspiracy, but it will never convey the magic that 24fps does


Edit: If y'all look back, about 7 years ago, on Dvinfo dot net we had this exactly conversation...hahaha

[Tom Lowe]

Given that it only tracks from Avatar through the middle of 2010 (when that chart was originally made), it doesn't include HP7.2 or TF3 which both came out in 2011. But the trend is indeed that 3D is accounting for a smaller share of the ticket sales than when Avatar released, and that is with a rapid increase in the number of share of screenings that are in 3D as more theaters continue to convert screen to 3D.

70% of Transformers 3 opening weekend came from 3D, so now what? This chart is outdated and irrelevant to be posting now.

[Mike Lary]

Sorry can you please explain... Not sure I understand this comment... ;)

Sure, Ketch. To believe that the death of film has already come and gone requires suspension of disbelief (because it's fiction). I'm not denying the writing on the wall, but to say it's dead is premature. My post was meant to reflect that sentiment and to reference the 3D argument/discussion about whether or not 3D is distracting to the viewer and breaks their suspension of disbelief. I was just poking fun. Sorry if I was too subtle. ;)

As for the topic at hand, I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the complete film.