4K and beyond...Pretty .Ugly

[Hrvoje Simic]

ha ha ha, This is why I shoot fish. Bring out 6k, please :)

Still laughing. :D

[Mark Phelan]

Isn't this thread the very definition of beer goggles?

Pawel, pawel, pawel... ;-)

This thread reminds me of the comment, "Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear to the bone."

[Meryem Ersoz]

ha ha ha, This is why I shoot fish. Bring out 6k, please :)

most perfect REDuser comment ever.

[BRANDON JAMESON]

"So long and thanks for all the fish!"

[noah newtown]

The real world is sometimes very ugly
thats why we all use framing, dof, cuts, colorgradig and more;)

[Scott Crawley]

There's a point well made Liana, and oft forgotten on a camera forum. We should remember to respect all of the departments and their disciplines, and take advantage of their expertise.

And thus we learn that mayhaps the job of make-up department is rather important, after all? Hire an experienced -and proven- make-up artist and the ugliness is a non-issue. A good make-up job can make repulsive people look 'acceptable', although not necessarily beautiful.

When male actors like Jack Nicholson and sundry others can have a successful career in front of the camera, so can most female actors. Most female actors are no where near as repulsive to begin with. Although not all of them will necessarily look pretty or fresh: if a pretty face is what you are after, start by casting a pretty (and young) actress and not some old hag the executive producer fancies. About time hollywood got some new faces....

You can always lose as much resolution and details as you want in post. Or by using some filters in close-up of faces while shooting. Adding the resolution in post, however, is not possible. This is a very good 'first world problem' to have.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Well there's a lot of discussion around this and a lot of people say that the reason in their opinion Alexa is the winner - is because it's "easier" on the eye. Here's an article about the hobbit worth reading - http://movies.ign.com/articles/122/1223523p1.html

[Johnny Friday]

UGLY is good: i think of Leone and his spaghetti westerns---LOVELY stuff! to see every line and detail of "ugliness" guess it all depends what you are trying to create.

[Shane Kelly]

We are finding that most actresses look pretty darn scary in 4k and absolutely horrific in anything higher.

The trickery and hoops we are having to go through to get a "pretty" look is nothing short of a nightmare.

Yes, it IS lovely to have the information we get from a large sensor, but the reality is, we are back to all the work-arounds that Hollywood masters of light, filtration and post developed to make the glamourous stars look ...glamororous!

Will we indeed have to resort to Vaseline-smeared Doris Day close-ups to get approval on-set of the current stream of leading ladies, or will we be stuck in post production, electonically dealing with the very REAL reality of seeing humans under the scrutiny of the new wave of very unforgiving sensors and projectors?

Your thoughts?

Are these statements your own personal opinion or merely talking points that you have read on the internet?
I personally find 5k so much easier to get a "pretty" look with than any smaller format. I've never found any format to be a "nightmare", you just have to work within the limitations of the format and use lighting, filtration and post processing to get the look that you want. It's called cinematography.

So before 5k, you found it easier to make actresses look good? Just curious.
You call it workarounds, I call it cinematography. As cinematographers, it's our job to be aware of all of the "tricks of the trade" and that includes post processing.

[Fredrik Callinggard]

Are these statements your own personal opinion or merely talking points that you have read on the internet?
I personally find 5k so much easier to get a "pretty" look with than any smaller format. I've never found any format to be a "nightmare", you just have to work within the limitations of the format and use lighting, filtration and post processing to get the look that you want. It's called cinematography.

So before 5k, you found it easier to make actresses look good? Just curious.
You call it workarounds, I call it cinematography. As cinematographers, it's our job to be aware of all of the "tricks of the trade" and that includes post processing.

All depends on what your delivery format is - if you deliver for broadcast in 1080p it's easier - the big screen starts to be harder the more rez there is