Do you think that a RR will be relevant in a year? Should I wait or buy a RR now, I know at this point they are quite old, don't want to be left out in the cold on a refresh. This is for use in a Mac Pro.
Originally Posted by L. Langer
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05-18-2012, 01:42 PM
Do you think that a RR will be relevant in a year? Should I wait or buy a RR now, I know at this point they are quite old, don't want to be left out in the cold on a refresh. This is for use in a Mac Pro.
05-18-2012, 03:52 PM
@ Subhadip, I had not seen the specs for the G110 / K20 yet. Seems promising. I keep forgetting about Knights Corner too...
Will.. As for the Rocket, I do think it will be very relevant still in a year from now. Lots of promising technologies coming along, but like all these things, it takes time for them to reach the market, settle into the market, etc.. The Rocket is available now and is a known quantity. Even in the latest dual Xeon E5 systems, that can decode 4K/5K R3Ds in full quality, real time, the Rocket still offers an advantage. Anything that can be done to offload work from the CPUs and speed up the process is usually welcome in most workflows. You also say this is for a Mac Pro. Chances are moving forward that a lot of the exciting new technologies will need new platforms -- PCIe 3.0 X16 for K20 for sure, stuff that's not available in a Mac Pro at this time. I think the only reason you wouldn't want a Rocket is if your work load is very small and you don't feel it would ROI itself within the next year.
Try and pick up a battle-tested one from RED. They come and go from the store, maybe call them to see, best deal going right now for RED post, iMO...
05-18-2012, 08:58 PM
Thanks Jeff.
05-18-2012, 09:07 PM
Jeff
Can you build a Knight Corner Mac Mini with thunder bolt, USB 3, and PCI 3.0 x16?....
That would be perfect for set....joke.
This all very interesting.
In my experience the biggest problem with the RED workflow is the fragility of the RED Rocket. I've sent back quite a few they don't transport well and DITs hate lugging around towers.. If you can debayer on the GPU of an iMac or a Z1 in real time you simplify everything for RED and it takes pressure off apple putting out another Mac Pro. With no Rocket, we no longer need that additional x16 slot, just thunderbolt to run some SDI break outs and you're pretty stylin'. You really don't need the tower anymore....Maybe there really won't be another Mac Pro...
05-19-2012, 09:46 AM
If it works with the software and does what it's supposed to do at a price you find acceptable, it's relevant. RED IS looking at a replacement for the Rocket card and that is all we know at this point. It's your call but I would play the waiting game for the time being until the options are more clear with what is coming out. Assuming you don't have any pressing need for a RED Rocket card.
05-19-2012, 09:30 PM
Check this out link. Knight Corner seems like its right around the corner and coming to kick Tesla's ass..
http://lenzfire.com/2011/11/intel-sa...mputing-32261/
05-20-2012, 02:42 PM
Well, they are completely worthless unless Adobe and Apple work with Intel to adapt their respective software packages to the capabilities of the boards. As far as we know, that's not happening at all though it would be logical for them to do it, at least for the purposes of having something to crow about in news write-ups just as Nvidia had Adobe using it's multi-card Tesla setups for demos/benchmarks.
05-24-2012, 08:05 PM
true story:
i was in my local apple store today to buy a raid and the employee didn't know the mac pro has no thunderbolt. he also didn't know if they sold the legacy ports for that seagate drive that has thunderbolt (i would of bought it then and there if he had the legacy adapter for non thunderbolt). he also kept talking about the macbook pro every time i talked about the mac pro. talk about a total disappointment lol...
at one point i told him "don't you guys know professionals need a new mac pro" he then tried to make me sign up for the business account with them. arghhh why won't they just release it...and perhaps get people to know a tad more about the professional gear and a tad less about the stupid itoys.... anyway rant over guys thanks for letting me get that off my chest....
05-29-2012, 08:50 PM
Guys, the online facebook "we want a new Macpro" page is now 13 000 people strong and has been reported in sites such as Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzinga...any-wont-make/
I would suggest everyone to keep pushing and sending feedback to apple at:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macpro.html
We successfully got Apple to commit to R3D editing in an upcoming release of FCPX, lets push them to create a true Mac Pro tower with Thunderbolt, multiple PCi 3.0 slots and the latest CPU's and Ram possibilities to keep our businesses running on OSX. They need to listen!
05-29-2012, 09:13 PM
Although the effort is admirable, unfortunately the reality is that Apple doesn't have to listen. If the Mac Pro is not going to generate profit and Apple truly does believe that the days of towers are numbered, then at best there may be one more Mac Pro. I think Apple's eyes are on the prize right now and they are focused on growth. I do hope I'm wrong.
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