Real camera tests...

[George Tsai]

This is a challenge to see who's camera system can bring the best image, not a workflow contest. To do a test to see who has the best or fastest workflow I would say is nearly impossible given how many different workflow exists for every camera system and editing suite.

And I believe including DSLR in this challenge is actually quite fair, but only with the DSLR in stills mode. After all Red's DSMC concept directly challenges still photography cameras. Only difference Red's stills mode is same as video mode, but you would shoot it as you would shoot still photography. C300 and C500 is made for digital cinema so both are fair game.

So can we please keep on topic of the challenge and you guys can argue workflow in another thread.

[Gunleik Groven]

Monday June 4th.

Every camera company is invited to RED Studios Hollywood for a comprehensive camera test.

Each company can bring their own cameras and techs to supervise the testing. Each camera company can take their resulting footage and process the best way they know possible.

Results will be posted in 2K and 4K. Results will be shown on a 10', 20' and 40' screen.

Comparisons will be made regarding resolution, dynamic range, color and frame rates.

Footage may be captured in RAW or RGB codec. Display will be DCP.

Jim

Great stuff!

G

[Lewis-M Soucy]

Please post the replies Jim!

[shashbugu]

I'm not trolling anymore than Jim trolls about other camera companies. If RED stopped shouting about how they are better than every other camera out there, and started focusing on being the best big screen camera, there would be a lot less sour taste in the air. They bash DSLR's and the C300, but at the same time, those cameras were never trying to compete with the likes of the EPIC. RED wanted to replace film, not replace magnetic tape. So why do they continue to compare themselves to cameras of a similar league. It's like the bully who picks on the small kid, know that he'll win. It's boring.

What do you mean FCP isn't a fast turn around time regardless of what format you shoot on? Shoot ProRes on the Alexa, edit it without any render time, and upload it. Simple as that. What's slow about that? I've been over to the workflow section, but it's true, I haven't read tons of info about it. I have only worked on 3 projects with RED footage, so I haven't had much need to. But let's put it like this, the production company that hired me for this project own 2 Epics and the DP has a Scarlet. They chose not to bring their cameras and to hire Alexa's. Does that not speak volumes?

Why do you guys see everything as a dig at RED, if it doesn't fit into the "Jim, you're amazing!" type comments? I'm saying that the resolution is the best. I'm saying that if I were shooting a feature film, I would shoot it on RED (or film). But I'm not, and therefore, a different camera choice might be the most logical choice. Sheesh!

Red does not make false representations about their camera. They simply state the obvious.

FCP is 5 year old technology .Period. if you shot on proress 422 with the Alexa, all I can say is your team must be very ill informed to think the Alexa was the best camera for that shoot. you could have used the cheaper F3.

Yell I/we will always call Jim and co amazing because nobody else is making cameras that produce 5k straight to edit on the planet period. Show me one.

I see everything RED because there is no other camera on the planet that can shoot ultra high resolution, youtube, broadcast, and big screen videos anywhere, anyspace, anytime, idea to vivid fantastic finish in real time. No second guessing the results. "Don't hate participate"

[Gunleik Groven]

So... Tweeted. I'll start mailing execs at some other companies... :)

Will be nice to see the Alexa 4:3 with ana glass in the soup!

Cheers

[Ray Sullivan]

What do you mean trans coding to ProRes? Please go back to my original point, we were shooting in ProRes because we were on FCP. Yes I've heard of Premiere Pro, but it was just called Premiere when I was using it. 2 reason I don't use it now. First is, I wasn't allowed to when i was at film school, nearly ten years ago (I'm sure they let students use it now). Secondly, I moved over to Mac, and it wasn't available. Now i could move across to Premiere, but that seems like a waste of ten years, and a waste of my time that could be better spent on, say, making money.

Yep, education sounds like a waste of your time alright.

[Richard_JP]

FCP is 5 year old technology .Period. if you shot on proress 422 with the Alexa, all I can say is your team must be very ill informed to think the Alexa was the best camera for that shoot. you could have used the cheaper F3.

We needed 120fps

Yell I/we will always call Jim and co amazing because nobody else is making cameras that produce 5k straight to edit on the planet period. Show me one.

I see everything RED because there is no other camera on the planet that can shoot ultra high resolution, youtube, broadcast, and big screen videos anywhere, anyspace, anytime, idea to vivid fantastic finish in real time. No second guessing the results. "Don't hate participate"

This place often sounds like a religious cult than a camera forum. You can not accept that any other camera can be justified for any reason, ever. Wow, I'd hate to be that narrow minded. Even Ted regularly acknowledges that a DSLR is a convenient tool for web, but making a feature film on it would be stupid.

Isn't this place supposed to be a real name forum?

[shashbugu]

What do you mean trans coding to ProRes? Please go back to my original point, we were shooting in ProRes because we were on FCP. Yes I've heard of Premiere Pro, but it was just called Premiere when I was using it. 2 reason I don't use it now. First is, I wasn't allowed to when i was at film school, nearly ten years ago (I'm sure they let students use it now). Secondly, I moved over to Mac, and it wasn't available. Now i could move across to Premiere, but that seems like a waste of ten years, and a waste of my time that could be better spent on, say, making money.

films schools don't teach you to be complacent. Your yearning to learn should be beyond film school. Secondly if you learnt only fcP in film school, you should get your money back. Most of us learnt how to shoot and edit regardless of the platform. Thirdly just because you don't know Premiere does not make FCP better. if you really believe you understand lighting then half a stop of DR difference between the Alexa and the Epic/Scarlet should not deter you from using the sharper better resolving camera.

[Richard_JP]

Yep, education sounds like a waste of your time alright.

Huh? My point was, I don't want to jump platforms as it will mean relearning a new editing suite. Doesn't seem like the best use of time to me. But then I guess you were just aiming to be rude. Nice.

[Richard_JP]

films schools don't teach you to be complacent. Your yearning to learn should be beyond film school. Secondly if you learnt only fcP in film school, you should get your money back. Most of us learnt how to shoot and edit regardless of the platform. Thirdly just because you don't know Premiere does not make FCP better. if you really believe you understand lighting then half a stop of DR difference between the Alexa and the Epic/Scarlet should not deter you from using the sharper better resolving camera.

We didn't learn either, we learned on Avid, but in my second year we were allowed to submit projects in FCP.