Cancel that thought...

[Dan Finlayson]

I'm not going to call you an idiot but I do think you're off on a few points

You are correct about the F65. Why isn't everyone excited about that camera here hahaha
Don't really understand what you're saying about high speed filming... the 435 isn't much bigger than an alexa or an epic depending on the build.
Of course waveforms/histograms are not analogous to a light meter. That's my point - it is a completely different way of working.

And as you are glad that you know what you captured the moment you left the set, I appreciate being able to actually look through a lens, not a delayed video output. Finally the Alexa Studio is bringing this generation of cameras up to speed!

[Paul Ellington]

You are correct about the F65. Why isn't everyone excited about that camera here hahaha
Don't really understand what you're saying about high speed filming... the 435 isn't much bigger than an alexa or an epic depending on the build.
Of course waveforms/histograms are not analogous to a light meter. That's my point - it is a completely different way of working.

And as you are glad that you know what you captured the moment you left the set, I appreciate being able to actually look through a lens, not a delayed video output. Finally the Alexa Studio is bringing this generation of cameras up to speed!

...O-K ... Moving on...

[Fredrik Callinggard]

I am a fairly young shooter. The first film I shot was s16. The second was on a Red One.

I've learned about digital and film in parallel, having neither as a basis before switching to the other. I consider this very fortunate timing between when I was born and when all this new technology became available.

I prefer film. I like my meter more than a histogram.

Reading through this thread has been frustrating. I'm seeing a lot of people citing camera stats, facts, and figures, and throwing aesthetics out the window to "defend" the red. Why aren't they "defending" film with stats? It sees more colors. In larger gauge formats, it is higher resolution. It's capable of insanely high frame rates. The dynamic range is pretty similar to the Red and Alexa. Obsolescence obsolete? Where will your hard drives been in 80 years? What happens when we go 6k? Not that 35mm film resolves 6k, but I'd rather watch a 6k film scan than an up-res of 4k digital footage.

But at the end of the day, its not the numbers that inform me on my preference of film. I simply like the aesthetics of the final image and the onset workflow. Sometimes, I'll opt for s16 over 35mm.

Who's gonna call me an idiot first?

You're definitely not an idiot, but coming from film in the first place all I can say is that as with the CD's from Vinyl and then eventually mp3's - I prefer to listen to a vinyl - but most of the time my stereo is playing mp3's. Simply because it's easier, quicker, lighter, smaller and more affordable.

Film will always be in my heart and I will miss it as much as my first love, but life moves on.

[Wayne Morellini]

There was a wiki...

Issue is that people read them as bibles, while there is in fact many ways to get "there", also depending on productiontype.

But I think it would be a good thing to have a thread/discussion outlining workflows. It would need to be pretty strictly moderated. SOmehow my threads haven't become too filled with spam, so I could possibly give it a go.

There was in fact some attempts on "wiki"s early on. But they were in many ways not very valuable IMHO. And then it is bad if they end up as stickies just leading to confusion.

Another issue is that the toolset is a moving target, so I guess for something like this to work, one must be very clear on perspective, productiontypes, toolsets and goal before starting to outline anything too intensively.

But it is an interesting ball to play...

That is why I suggested moderated, it would be strictly so to just let the best on the wiki, or even somebody hired by Red to take information and write the submissions formally.

Multiple different ways is not a problem, you can list under work flows, by camera, workflow A-Z subcategories, and just keep adding. In seventy five years, if it is still there, somebody trying to restore an antique Red One could just look up the work flow and run a PC windows emulator. People take multiple options as confusion, but it is not, it just needs to be broken down into logical categories etc to put it into simple enough order.

[Wayne Morellini]

About what is coming. There are some very interesting technologies. Sony is one of the ones to watch, organic sensors, three layer sensors, 100million pixel sensor, soon. As for low light and dynamic range, far beyond what we use. I tried to advise Red years ago, to hook into the right technology licenses, 15 stops is not much compared to what I have seen. 9k is not even much. Low light, a lot better then we have seen yet.

On color gamut, how do you get it up?

The structure in our eyes have overlap in their color response, but if you can get a response without overlap on one type, you get supper saturation, but a sensor, and the Bayer demosiacing, and antialaising filter, are not conducive to this. How much of the 200% color spectrum can they record?