Jim any chance Red will Resurrect the 3K Scarlet ?

[Johnny Friday]

Hi Bob !
For Corporate stuff we use the AJ-HPX2000 and HVX200's, we have also used XD-Cams (1080p is usually fine for web and corp stuff)
For shorts and any tv stuff we hire most of our cameras.
I'm looking at purchasing a Scarlet, but to be honest the combination of a 3K Scarlet and higher end 4K-5K Scarlet would
be the ideal package.
It would also make me more inclined to purchase a 3K scarlet and upgrade or add a 4K Scarlet later
This is why the Blackmagic Camera is so attractive as a second (B) camera.

It kinda makes sense, you have three Red cameras aimed at different markets 3-10K 10-20K and 25-50K+

Also when you buy a Red Camera you are buying into their accessories and workflow. If Red looses this market to Blackmagic
who's to say Blackmagic wont produce a 4K S35 camera next year ? making it even easier for customers to justify upgrading to it as
you already own their 2.5K model.

I think you have a camera you are loooking for in Blackmagic then....but as many have pointed out in numerous threads for over a year...red has been clear about no 3k scarlet--i doubt any more threads will change there mind on this one.

[RayFrisby]

Ray,

Directly from Jim:

Scarlet is now a professional camera. It will be more expensive. And there will be no discounts for RED ONE owners.

That is all the bad news there is...

Jim

If you were expecting 3K for $3K... this is bad news.

Jim

No one will be disappointed if they ignore all previous conceived notions.

Jim

And it goes on and on ...... Pretty self explanatory to me. But maybe Jim will respond ......

Thanks Dave ! I agree it's pretty straightforward but this was before the Blackmagic Camera was released. Not saying your wrong, this may still be the case.
But IMO the Blackmagic camera has changed things again.
Who knows ? thats why I posted.
Ray

[Graham Spencer-Scott]

Think RED = Highend image capture, thus Scarlet starts out 4K and will be UP-gradable. Leave the DOWN-grades and lower prices to the other companies who want to help bring that part of the market demographic closer to a 4K standard. There is room for many camera companies out there -just pick one that is producing a product within your desired parameters.

[Elsie N]

Ray. a better question to ask is, "Will the little Black Magic camera come out with a model to compete with Scarlet? Not the other way around. Or ask, "Will Red come out with a camera that competes with Phantom frame rates?" (Jarred has already said if you want 1000 fps, buy a Phantom, so the answer to that is also probably no.

[Alexander Thomson]

Hitler Finds Out RED Isn't Making the 3K Scarlet.

Coming soon to an internets near you...

[Dave Weber]

Ray. a better question to ask is, "Will the little Black Magic camera come out with a model to compete with Scarlet? Not the other way around. Or ask, "Will Red come out with a camera that competes with Phantom frame rates?" (Jarred has already said if you want 1000 fps, buy a Phantom, so the answer to that is also probably no.

I agree. My thinking is this. Why would RED want to compete with BM while the others are trying to catch up to and compete with RED. It does seem bassackwards for RED to make a 3K camera for the lesser jobs. I understand the want. I wanted a fixed lens too. But I get the business model. Never look back, always ahead!

[Phil Holland]

Bingo Dave. Right on the head.

[RayFrisby]

I agree. My thinking is this. Why would RED want to compete with BM while the others are trying to catch up to and compete with RED. It does seem bassackwards for RED to make a 3K camera for the lesser jobs. I understand the want. I wanted a fixed lens too. But I get the business model. Never look back, always ahead!

Hi Dave !
You have a vaild point, but I guess my take on it is a little different, I don't think it's a matter of Blackmagic trying to catch up with Red. I think Blackmagic saw an opportunity to make some money and produced a camera they could sell at a certain price. I think they did the math and made a decision.
Neither is it a question of Red taking a step backwards and producing a pro-sumer camera.
IMO it's about protecting Red's position in the market, it all depends on two things; whether you see the Blackmagic Camera as a threat to Red Scarlet sales, and whether Red can produce a 3K (resolution) camera for the right price, and still make a profit. If not then it's all just speculation.

However just say Red can produce a 3K (resolution) camera and can make a profit. If they choose not to they are handing a market share to Blackmagic.
This includes Accessories and other Red equipment sales.
Even if Red makes less money producing this camera than the 4K Scarlet it really doesn't matter, Why ? because Blackmagic will still be involved in the market and selling a lot of cameras that will take some DSLR, Sony and Red market share.

Assuming it affects DSLR's and Sony cameras (more than Red Scarlet sales) the fact remains Red has a new competitor

And the important part; the money Blackmagic is making on the back of DSLR and Sony sales could have been Red's !

BUT WHO KNOWS ? I MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG HERE.

[Nick Morrison]

And the important part; the money Blackmagic is making on the back of DSLR and Sony sales could have been Red's !

I think you are assuming that RED's only goal is to make money. As they have repeatedly shown by offering discounted upgrades, free software, and new functions enabled through firmware updates...they are not in this just for the money...they are driven by a much larger need...clearly...to change how Hollywood thinks about filmmaking, change conceptions, and drag the old guard into the 21st century...kicking and screaming if they have to. If it was about money, the Epic would cost $75k, which it could easily do. It outperforms the Alexa in almost every way and yet costs 1/2 as much.

Instead, IMHO, I think RED is more concerned about actually having a legacy to leave...by steering Hollywood's clumsy transition from ANALOG to DIGITAL...by paving the way, blazing if they have to, into dark corners and new directions that other companies never could because they were driven only by profit.

Indeed...RED's ability to look beyond the bottom line has routinely kept them several steps ahead of their competition...

And this majestic need to change Hollywood is...I don't think...compatible with competing to make an affordable RAW camcorder.

They have bigger fish to fry.

[jaadgy akanni]

By the way, if it weren't for the fact RED has twisted the market into a new quality and price standard, BM would be playing the overpricing games of yesteryears along with every other camera companies, charging you anywhere from $6k to $20K for a 2k camera.