23.9 fps ?

[BRANDON JAMESON]

Question for the gurus!!!

My display says 24p on top but 23.9 for the CF card at the lower left corner of the dislay.

Normal or my bad?

Your advice is very appreciated.

Thanks!

[Henk van den Doel]

Only shot 23,97 once on our red one, it showed just like you said. Probably normal :)

[BRANDON JAMESON]

can we ever have both numbers match?

ideally, we want both to read 24

[Trevor Meeks]

ideally you shoot 23.976 on a 24fps time base. That is the standard.

yes, you can shoot 24/24, or at least I'd assume so... not familiar with the RED ONE.

[Will Keir]

This is the R1? On the Epic you can choose the FPS, 24 if you wish. Then you choose the timebase, 24 if you wish.

[Marc Wielage]

Talk to your post department. Do not shoot 24.00fps unless they specifically want this for their workflow. Just about all American theatrical features and TV shows I know of are shooting at 23.976fps. I only know of one that shot 24.00fps, which was Grown-Ups (a very successful picture).

Anything can work, as long as the entire camera crew, post crew, audio crew, and post facility are in on the decision. It's also important for second units and pickup shots to use the exact same methodology and workflow, to avoid use disasters in post.

[Harry Clark]

Yes, listen to Marc.
This brings up a pet peeve of mine. Why can't Red correct (yes, I said correct, as this is a big mistake) their GUI to read what the camera is ACTUALLY SET AT.
I have had this discussion countless times on set. Someone notices the "24 FPS" in the LCD display and asks in a panic, "I thought we ere shooting 23.98???!!!" Much explaining about Red and the onscreen GUI happens, and I show them in the tiny print by the "media" info where it says 23.98, but everyone always walks away from the camera feeling a bit unconvinced.
RED TEAM!
If we set it to 23.98 (which I almost always do; I can think of only one electronic job in my whole career where the producers wanted- and understood what they meant- 24 fps) PLEASE HAVE THE CAMERA DISPLAY "23.9 FPS", NOT "24 FPS"
Arri understood this when they designed the GUI for the Alexa, and it was most welcome. When you are shooting 23.98, it SAYS 23.98.
I would have expected that this would be fixed on Epic but it has not been.
Cheers,
Harry

[Glen David Miller]

Yes, a chill ran up my spine while reading this thread.

Okay, 99.9% of the time, you want to be shooting 23.98 (23.976) as a time base.

And the Epic's frame rate in the upper left reads 24. It also ( sometimes ) reads variable in the lower right (if memory serves me right). When shooting 24.

So, does that tell me I've been shooting a slight slow mo? Or not? Oh boy!

I agree that the frame rate should match the time base for 1:1. Can I manually enter 23.98 for both?

Aaaakkk.

-Glen


EDIT: Okay, going to the camera and holding down the upper left 24 brings up the Direct Entry field. That field, for 24 fps, does display 23.976. Does it automatically change if your time base is on that rare true 24? I didn't check for that.

I know that I have seen varispeed pop up sometimes for 24 frame rate and I always shoot at 23.976 time base. So why that changes to varispeed sometime and not others is beyond me.

The fix, as stated above: ADD BOTH 23.976 and 24 TO THE TOP SCROLLING FRAME RATES SLIDER!!

G2

[Glen David Miller]

Wonder if we should start a " please add / fix " thread?

PS - I ask this as I just noticed this is a Red One area. The above is happening on my Epic. This is a Red-wide concern... If that's the correct word to use. :)


Glen

[Peter Dmitriyev]

Yes, a chill ran up my spine while reading this thread.

Okay, 99.9% of the time, you want to be shooting 23.98 (23.976) as a time base.


G2

correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this is inaccurate. You want to be shooting 24fps TIMEBASE but 23.976 (rounded to 23.98) Framerate