Beta Camera Build 3.2.8

[Robino_J]

Mark, 5K is a different crop of the lens, effectively a larger sensor. It looks different. Seriously man, you can't see that difference? I could care less about resolution and I almost never shoot slomo. But a bigger sensor looks way better, and is a zoom-out from noise and lens imperfections.

Life is too short for what Mark? Too short to expect a reasonable R.O.I. on major kit investments?

This is absolutely ridiculous but I enjoy reading it!

[Vino Harris]

haha dude I'm a director and a cine man..I could care less about renting because i would rather own it. that way I don't have a time line on when I have to shoot or paying out the az for a lens etc. Making movies is an ART! If your in it for the money, that might be your hang up. If you own your equipment you rule your own world baby.

I work for a living and when I take my hard earn and buy a camera I don't jump for joy until I can push that baby to the limits. What hurts is when someone looks at your footage and make a statement you shot that on a...... The love of it is when they have to ask and you say that wasn't a epic.hahaha I love it man so you can waaa until the cows come home ...its not what you spend it's how you spend it. If you bought a camera to rent out just to maket some cash then you are missing the big picture there ROB.

We keep the companies on their toes by wanting them to push the limits. After all if RED wasn't pushing the limits your little Epic wouldn't be able to do the great things that it does. Tell you what.. I'll give you my scarlet for your Epic then I'll school you on how to use it's son. you won't miss the camera because you have the big bucks to buy another one cat daddy.

[Vino Harris]

Tell you what give me the slow motion for the scarlet and I will show you what it can do and I won't be shooting glasses of milk or flowers. I want a range on my investment that's second to none. Meaning even if the consumers catch me they still won't have the features that I will. Sony F700 4K camera but you have to wait and pay for the firmware in order to activate the 4 K.....ARE YOU FOR REAL!!! Go Scarlet and a small little yae for the camera that makes everyone have big balls after they buy it and can't make it work the epicccccccc. Get your cigars out boys and raise you chest because i see a little guy with a scarlet coming!

Its not rich or poor robbie its art! whew...I think I'll go play with me scarlet and smash on consumer camera buyers...NOT!

[Bob Gundu]

what the heck is going on here????

[Shane Kelly]

None of what you say has anything do do with making a business investment (NOT just a personal one for the sake of art) and expecting a semi-reasonable financial return to last for a reasonable amount of time. Of course one day the Epic will be superseded, but if my Epic goes out of date too fast then next time I will not buy any camera and just rent like I used to. If everyone does this the camera business will take a nosedive.

For me this is my living - shooting/renting gear. Some of you see this only from the perspective of hobbiests, so of course when you hear the matter discussed as a business you get offended - "NO! It's ART! Go shoot something and post it on Vimeo!" I am not talking about my abilities as a cinematographer when I say I want my Epic to be worth more per rental day, than a camera costing 1/4 the price, just a few months after I bought it. My discussion here has nothing to do with art or talent.

A 34 K investment is not an art thing. How hard is that to grasp!?

Rob, I feel the same way. Since getting back from nab, I've started thinking about the rental side of my business ( I do think of myself as a business, as any cinematographer should). I think that from now on I'll invest in glass as the camera business is totally saturated. I can buy a $40k lens that is good for at least 10 years as opposed to a $40k camera that is good for a year and a half. The 5d killed the camera rental business and now producers want a red kit for $300/day and some people are giving it to them. The one thing that will always cost money is good glass and I'm not talking about stills lenses of which I own plenty.
I own an epic and love it despite it's quirks but I'm seriously thinking about getting out of the camera game.

[Shane Kelly]

Tell you what give me the slow motion for the scarlet and I will show you what it can do and I won't be shooting glasses of milk or flowers. I want a range on my investment that's second to none. Meaning even if the consumers catch me they still won't have the features that I will. Sony F700 4K camera but you have to wait and pay for the firmware in order to activate the 4 K.....ARE YOU FOR REAL!!! Go Scarlet and a small little yae for the camera that makes everyone have big balls after they buy it and can't make it work the epicccccccc. Get your cigars out boys and raise you chest because i see a little guy with a scarlet coming!

Its not rich or poor robbie its art! whew...I think I'll go play with me scarlet and smash on consumer camera buyers...NOT!

Huh?

[Mark Toia]

Mark, 5K is a different crop of the lens, effectively a larger sensor. It looks different. Seriously man, you can't see that difference? I could care less about resolution and I almost never shoot slomo. But a bigger sensor looks way better, and is a zoom-out from noise and lens imperfections.

Life is too short for what Mark? Too short to expect a reasonable R.O.I. on major kit investments?

I did not say 5k... I siad 4k epic and 4k scarlet ate identical at 24fps.
I shoot 4k on my epic alot.... Especially on alot of PL glass that nips the corners in 5k. I just click over to 4k.
4k does not concern Fincher... Why you. ?
I think you need to chill Rob. Your way to stressed to type.

[Paul Ellington]

I did not say 5k... I siad 4k epic and 4k scarlet ate identical at 24fps.
I shoot 4k on my epic alot.... Especially on alot of PL glass that nips the corners in 5k. I just click over to 4k.
4k does not concern Fincher... Why you. ?
I think you need to chill Rob. Your way to stressed to type.

In other news, this build rocks. Lovely being able to share the love and knowledge at REDUcation NYC... YES!

[Rob Castiglione]

Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.

[Paul Ellington]

Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.

Clear your SSD, put all contents in trash, empty it, and then drag the folder into the SSD and power up. It will prompt you to upgrade or not... If it doesn't work, leave the SSD in, now use with the force restore option. This will not prompt, at least in my case it didn't a roll back, but it prompted the camera to accept the new firmware.